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Approx. transcript time · 01:05:32Read transcript
  • Bronson Pinchot has two scenes, knocks them out of the park and gets a sitcom and a five-year deal out of it, the biggest Dion Waiters success story the show has had, compared to Flip Murray's 13-game run; the brilliance is that you do not know what he is playing, only he knows, a joke on the art world where his sexual orientation and whether he is Middle Eastern are unknown.
  • Earlier the Serge scenes are compared to Shawn Michaels making any wrestler better in the ring; he got a whole career from two scenes, having been only one of Tom Cruise's friends in Risky Business before, and Balky followed two years later.
Bloodsport

The Dion Waiters Award for Best Heat Check Performance

Victor Lin or Van Damme's Speedo in the post-coitus scene

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  • Victor Lin is proposed, with his 'You're blowing it, Frank, forget about the girl, you can be the first Westerner to win' speech; he is the only other character remembered, Chong Li is ruled ineligible and Ogre is in it too much; the pointing 'point at you, point at me' fighter is a memorable minute of shiny muscles.
  • The reporter is rejected not for screen time but because she is too good an actress; Chong Li could be shoehorned in if he really has only seven minutes; Van Damme's Speedo in the post-coitus scene, with his very round butt, is called a good call, with jokes that he called more people onto the set rather than clearing it; the award ends with nobody sure who wins.
  • During the unanswerable questions, the mentor is retroactively nominated: his choked-up speech about his dead son and the father-to-son tradition should have been the Dion Waiters pick, or the mother who just smiles knowingly with no lines.
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Approx. transcript time · 01:06:29Read transcript
  • Madsen is the first name; the heat is pretty equally distributed, but Tim Roth's shirtless boss in the vest does a lot with a little, chewing up 'that invisible bitch'; Madsen in the ear-cutting scene is compared to Vinnie Johnson in game five of the 1990 Finals, going for it in a career-altering way, except his career was not altered.
  • Barely worth mentioning is the extra Buscemi bangs into while fleeing the robbery, who yells 'fuck you, asshole' like an acting buddy making the most of one opportunity.
  • One more Dion Waiters: the earnest, mustached cop telling his story during the commode monologue, repeatedly ordering the motorist to put his hands on the dash; he looks like he is from Wisconsin rather than California and is handed the best that-guy award instead.
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Approx. transcript time · 00:57:10Read transcript
  • It has got to be Joan Allen, though she was also placed under what aged worst and argued as a heat check.
  • Asked to make the case, a Dion Waiters heat check is not necessarily a good thing, but it is 'wow, she's really going for it'. — Andrew Gruttadaro
  • Given the floor for critical things about Joan Allen: in the wedding-dress scene with fifteen anonymous women with terrible Southern accents, she leans into the scheming Southern mom, 'society event of the year', with her thickest accent and a shoulder shimmy, and it does not work; she brings home the emotional stuff at the end, but the shallow Southern mom of the first half is a bit much. — Amanda Dobbins
  • At the dance with the offensively stereotypical, largely black brass band she must have a dance double, since she does full leg kicks.
  • Asked whether the dance scene seemed odd, all of it works for this viewer, who is on board with evil Joan Allen. — Andrew Gruttadaro
  • The band leader is Oba Babatunde (as transcribed), the ousted principal in season three of Dawson's Creek, filmed around the same time, another Carolina connection and a WB that-guy who does not count for normal people.
  • Kevin Connolly is also totally doing too much, but Joan Allen is the third or fourth biggest lead and it is hard to make a case for anyone else; she is a wonderful actress, excellent recently on Broadway in The Waverly Gallery, but not channeling that energy here.
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  • Nominees are Joan Allen, Gina Rollins (as transcribed) and James Garner, with honorable mention to Sam Shepard, who is barely in the movie but charming and a clear link to Gosling's Noah, and James Marsden added.
  • Asked to make a case, it is Joan Allen, throwing heaters as an extremely Southern mom, especially her reading of 'Sarah Lawrence is in New York'. — Andrew Gruttadaro
  • The Sarah Lawrence exchange is played; she is hilarious as a Southern lady and brings the evil-parent vibe that spices up the movie, an evil parent who then tries to redeem herself by sharing her own story.
  • Asked to make a case, it is James Garner, because he pretty much carries the old-people plot, which is hard, and is very charming; Jeanette Rollins (as transcribed) does good work but her part is not fun. — Amanda Dobbins
  • Rowlands's character is supposed to be confused the whole time, while Garner carries the narrative and emotional thrust and plays it straight enough that you do not know who he is.
  • A case is made for James Marsden: delightful and likable, beginning the James Marsden good-guy saga in a role where likability is hard; Lon Hammond Jr. of the Cotton Hammonds gets a bad rap and is not evil just because he has money; his hotel room line is saved for best quote, he is a charmer showing up at her school, and his bravado works even in a full body cast; the speaker also confesses a weakness for Marsden as Cyclops.
  • No pick is made; there are just a lot of great Dion Waiters performances in this movie.
  • Later, during the overacting award, Joan Allen is argued to be a bit of a heat check, and the hosts debate the award's definition: a Dion Waiters heat check is not necessarily good but is 'wow, she's really going for it'; nobody has ever understood whether it is doing the most with the least, and the standing rule from Bill is that it is doing the most with the least, which is why one voice gives it to James Garner, interpreted positively, even though that differs from the hot-hand sense.
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  • Seven names are on the list; Jeffrey Tambor as the father-in-law is not a heater, a subdued performance but always knowing Vegas will go badly, which sets off a bit about a host insisting he would be at his daughter's fiance's bachelor party; Rachel Harris; the doctor who has only one C, with 'get lost and buy a fucking map'; Brian Cowan (as transcribed), Heather Graham, Rob Riggle and Mike Tyson.
  • One personal vote goes to Rob Riggle; the award is defined as the biggest heat check, doing the most with the least playing time, like hitting five threes in ten minutes, and whether to take Riggle here or in Step Brothers is floated.
  • Ken Jeong should win even though the speaker does not like the performance, because he is doing a lot and really going over the top. — Sean Fennessey
  • The pushback that the award acknowledges something they like and that the integrity of the Dion Waiters Award is being undermined on the 103rd pod, answered with 'it's just good to examine what we're really doing here', gives way to agreement: Ken Jeong goes out like a Tasmanian devil taking shots and grabbing rebounds, almost Brandon Jennings-esque, and Dion Waiters would agree; Riggle is more Montrezl Harrell, the energy off the bench you really need, not Austin Rivers, and the movie vaulted him to another level.
John Wick: Chapter 2

The Joey Pants “That Guy” Award

Thomas Sadowski (as transcribed), the cop who appears in both films

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Approx. transcript time · 00:47:11Read transcript
  • The whole movie is that-guys; Tarasov has been seen in 40 movies without anyone knowing the name, making him a rare possible Dion Waiters and Joey Pants double; the guy from The Wire is a case but people know his name; it is Peter Stormare, a well-known actor from Fargo and The Big Lebowski.
  • Thomas Sadowski (as transcribed), Don from The Newsroom, who plays the cop in both films, is the pick and is agreed to be a good call; Ruby Rose does not get it since she has no dialogue, and her credits include Orange is the New Black, Resident Evil movies, the Meg and now playing Bat girl (as transcribed); Leguizamo as the mechanic Aurelio is up there, though he is Leguizamo.
  • Leguizamo's friendship with Wick almost went in what aged worst: how did they become friends, do they hang out on a Tuesday night watching Mets against the Braves with Sicilian pizza delivered to his Joe house, and Aurelio simply agrees to fix the car.
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  • A lot of candidates; Peter Stormare's Tarasov is a great five minutes at the top, with reactions and everything, a guy who starts at 11 with no warm-up time; Michael Nyquist played Tarasov in the first film and Stormare plays his brother, both Russians played by Swedish actors.
  • Gianna is one host's pick; Common, in only a couple of scenes, is still in it too much to be Dion, and Fishburne is slightly too much as well; Tarasov is called the definition of a Dion Waiters (transcribed 'demon later'), so over the top for five minutes.
  • Franco Nero as Julius, manager of the Rome Continental, greets John as an old friend and immediately asks whether he is there to kill the Pope; a larger question is that Gianna's coronation as a mafia boss involves clergy high up in the Vatican, with a cardinal at the club.
John Wick: Chapter 2

What’s Aged the Best?

The whole concept of the Continental, the markers and the assassin world

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Approx. transcript time · 00:26:01Read transcript
  • John Wick loves his wife, his dog and his car; add two kids and that is one host, who likes two of his three dogs and is told to free Olivia; it is called super weird that weirdos secretly relate to the most evil assassin in history, and another host relates too, since Wick has a dog, a car and principles but a lonely life.
  • Why Common is so loyal to Gianna is questioned, since he seems out for revenge rather than the seven million; he was down in the nightclub because she told him to go upstairs and greet the guests, a poor choice on her part, and he is blamed the way Brett Brown is blamed for the Sixers loss.
  • The two rules that cannot be broken, no blood on Continental grounds and every marker must be honored, are a pick: out-there rules that people stick to, with an almost childlike tag or capture-the-flag logic where arcane expansions get added; the whole construction of the Continental and its mythology with its cool figures is called genius.
  • The gearing-up sequence has aged well: the tailor in the back of the Chinese laundromat, the weapon sommelier in Italy asking how his tasting is, even the bank, the whole secret alternate universe.
  • The Continental drink scene with Common is loved because the two men are trying to kill each other and then have a cocktail, with Common made to drink gin from a tall glass and looking like a dork; the Gianna scene is creepy but great, with a weird vibe, and it took a couple of viewings to understand that he shoots her to save her from hell, with a great overhead shot of the blood pooling.
  • Chad Stahelski directed all three films and the first was co-directed with David Leitch, who went on to Deadpool 2, Atomic Blonde and the forthcoming Hobbs and Shaw; both were Keanu's stuntmen for years, Chad on The Matrix, and the cinematographer made Danish genre movies before becoming the key cinematographer for the director of The Shape of Water, so a pulpy, bloody movie is made by brilliant artisans, which is the sweet spot; the joke is John Wick 2 is Shape of Water except entertaining.
  • The honor of the contract killers and the markers ties it to a Western or samurai movie, a classical action setup where a promise must be kept and even the killing has to be done a certain way; caring about Gianna not going to hell shows a moral guy, and honor and codes are called classic Long Island.
  • Putting a contract out like buying a stock or calling an operator has aged well; if the world were real one host would bet on it, Common at plus 700, though bookies would never take bets on the undefeated Wick, the Kevin Durant or the Mountain of assassins.
  • The Continental is picked as a world to live in, Soho House for assassins and a rich-guy hangout, though at 800 dollars a night nobody needs a Labrador in the lobby, like a Kempton (as transcribed); Lance Reddick from The Wire as the concierge has a shaky accent; the red leather bar is one of the favorite movie bars, with hotel bars around Columbus Circle the closest New York equivalents; a boutique hotel renaming itself the Continental would be ballsy, a promo stay has been done, and the Intercontinental chain makes the name confusing.
  • No movie ever set up a sequel better than the end of John Wick 2, the best version of wanting the next one now.
  • Ian McShane as Winston is the best use of his late-period speechifying, a great guy to hand three pages of dialogue; he would have won the Dion Waiters for John Wick 1, which the show never covered; here he shows up in three key sequences and explains the mythology, making rather than giving the rules.
  • Compared with over-plotted Marvel, Game of Thrones and J.J. Abrams movies stitched together, the simplicity has aged best: an understandable story with time to embellish, no comic-book or Wikipedia homework, and an exception to the fear of telling simple stories that cannot spawn five sequels.
  • McShane calling him Jonathan is both condescending and respectful, like someone calling you Christopher; everything McShane says is a rhetorical question.
  • Shea Serrano calls the speaker Seanathan, which he thinks started after John Wick came out (transcribed as 'won'), and it is in his face all the time. — Sean Fennessey
  • The final agreement is the whole concept of the Continental, the markers and this world, with the coins as part of it: how much they are worth, how many he has, how heavy they are and why they never fall out when he rolls around.
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  • Asked to define the award, the guest says it is who does the most with the least, and does not require the person to be a lunatic. — Chuck Klosterman
  • Lunatics are nonetheless often the winners because of the hosts' taste; the nominees are Jack Nicholson, Joan Cusack, Lois Childs (as transcribed) and the TV music composer guys; the minority pick is Cusack, one host going with her as memorable for how little she is on screen and for the Juergen Klinsmann slide under the filing cabinet.
  • One of the composer guys is Mark Shaman (as transcribed), among the most successful composers in Hollywood, who wrote all the songs in Mary Poppins Returns; the 'Big finish!' clip is played, and the scene is called the most sitcom-y of all time, proof the director made sitcoms.
  • Jack Nicholson is proposed as maybe the greatest Hitchcock performer in American movies, one who can take over films he is not the star of, as in Reds, A Few Good Men, Terms of Endearment and the Joker, and this is probably his smallest part ever, just reading the news and one office visit; one host makes him his vote for the award; it is a lost art Denzel Washington does not practice, though Cruise did it in Tropic Thunder, and Denzel should play Jessup if NBC stages A Few Good Men.
  • Nicholson's whole career has been like that, back to the small memorable role in the Fonda film; a second participant votes for him, making Nicholson the majority choice; sheer charisma carrying four weird scenes in a movie you are not important in is a category only Brando shares; De Niro in The Untouchables does not count because he is the bad guy; Nicholson's best scene is slinking away around the desk during the layoffs with no dialogue, something George Clooney could not do with the same impact, though Damon does it in Interstellar.
  • Late in the segment William Hurt's dad is raised as a Dion Waiters candidate, pretty good for being in Tucson; the host had him coming up later as a 'that guy'.
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  • Eligibility is the problem: Hader is in it too much, Russell Brand is in it too much, and Jonah Hill getting his own movie afterwards either breaks the rules or proves he should win; Jack McBrayer and William Baldwin are the other names, and neither of the big guys qualifies.
  • One host's pick is Jonah: not in it too much and throwing heat every time, with the English accent, the getting mad, and taking Jason Segel's plate right after he started eating and then saying he will just go fuck himself.
  • Asked whether it should be Rudd instead, the hosts agree Rudd is in about two scenes and bats a thousand, while Jonah may be one scene too much to be eligible; the 'the weather outside is weather' line settles it and the award is given to Rudd (transcribed as Red).
  • Earlier, before the break, a joke asked whether Jason Segel's dick was up for the Dion Waiters Award, with the answer that we would find out.
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