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Working Girl The Rewatchables
Working Girl

Casting What-Ifs

Demi Moore, plus many alternate Tess candidates.

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Rocky The Rewatchables
Rocky

Casting What-Ifs

Caan/Reynolds/O’Neal/Redford; Norton; Keitel; Snodgress; Strasberg

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Approx. transcript time · 01:18:29Read transcript
Saturday Night Fever The Rewatchables
Saturday Night Fever

Recasting Couch

Carrie Fisher, Fran Drescher or Cher as Stephanie

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Approx. transcript time · 01:04:09Read transcript
Groundhog Day The Rewatchables
Groundhog Day

Apex Mountain

Groundhog Day the holiday; I Got You Babe (belated)

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Approx. transcript time · 01:08:56Read transcript
  • The holiday itself peaked in the early 90s when people cared whether the groundhog saw its shadow; global warming is an even better reason, and it seems stupid now. — Bill Simmons
  • Andy McDowell draws "I would say yes" and "Hard no", with Sex, Lies, and Videotape offered instead; 130 episodes in, Apex Mountain is still unsettled. — Bill Simmons
  • After Sex, Lies, and Videotape she was put center frame in mainstream films like Green Card, but she vanishes from memorable movies after 1996. — Sean Fennessey
  • The rebuttal about raising a family is answered with research saying she had her first kid in 1986, before being in a movie. — Sean Fennessey
  • The hosts say her youngest daughter is Margaret Quali from Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, born in 1994, and that she did not stop working but made bad movies. — Sean Fennessey
  • A theory: female leads had four-to-five-year shelf lives until the mid-2010s (Madeline Stowe in Stakeout and Revenge), with Meg Ryan, Sandra Bullock and Reese Witherspoon outlasting it; MacDowell was in that mix and the theory is called 100% legitimate, with a wish to bring Issa back. — Bill Simmons
  • She could have moved into supporting parts but made unfamiliar 2000s movies; Sex, Lies, and Videotape is promised for a future episode and is one participant's mom's favorite movie. — Bill Simmons
  • I Got You Babe was obviously at its apex on the 70s variety show, but lives on through this movie for anyone under 40, a belated apex; whether Cher got the joke leads to her Letterman appearance. — Bill Simmons
  • Asked whether it is Ramis's apex, the answer is "Probably, yeah," as the culmination of a 17-18 year run starting with National Lampoon. — Bill Simmons
  • A personal apex for him is the first 20 minutes of Stripes, called the best start of any comedy. — Bill Simmons
Midnight Run The Rewatchables
Midnight Run

Casting What-Ifs

Paramount lined up Harrison Ford as Jack Walsh and Chevy Chase as the Duke; Chase had a conflict and Ford dropped out; De Niro came aboard only after being turned down for Big; Albert Brooks turned down the Duke; Paramount wanted Cher, then Robin Williams, as the Duke; Brest insisted on Grodin and Paramount sold the film to Universal; Ron Perlman, Dennis Hopper, Harvey Keitel, Ray Liotta and Alec Baldwin were considered for Serrano

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  • Called a pantheon casting what-if: Paramount obtained the script and lined up Harrison Ford as Jack Walsh and Chevy Chase as the Duke around 1986-87, post-Fletch, which would have been a pretty good backup movie, although Ford, basically in his Blade Runner outfit, might be too handsome and has rarely been heard cursing that much; Chase had a conflict with Funny Farm and another film, and Ford dropped out.
  • De Niro opted in only after being turned down for Big; Albert Brooks was then offered the Duke and turned it down, which would also have been incredible, since Brooks and Grodin could have swapped parts for fifteen years and Brooks probably wins head to head.
  • Paramount then decided Cher should play the Duke, which is unimaginable, during a brief three-year peak of Cher as a top-tier actress; the research came from a piece written five years earlier, with a shout-out to Alan Seppinwall (as transcribed) as one of the few listeners.
  • Paramount pushed for Robin Williams, who wanted to audition, the same year as Good Morning Vietnam; Brest refused and wanted Charles Grodin, so Paramount sold the rights to Universal with Grodin and De Niro attached, and Universal had a major success.
  • Better or worse with 1988 Robin Williams: a sliding-doors note that doing it before or after Good Morning Vietnam might have affected Dead Poets Society; one view is that Williams would have done bits throughout and turned it into a comedy, while Grodin's measured, deadpan complaining plays perfectly off De Niro; the counter is a mellow Garp or Dead Poets Williams could have done it, and the endless takes might have driven him to become Robin Williams anyway.
  • Williams is judged the better actor but Grodin played it better; Williams only grew into his body by Good Will Hunting and was still slight in the eighties, so nobody but Grodin can be pictured in the part, with Grodin the safer pick though Williams playing it correctly would have been great; a crude aside recalls an anatomical revelation from the HBO Williams documentary.
  • The only other what-if is Jimmy Serrano, played by the late Dennis Farina: Ron Perlman, Dennis Hopper, Harvey Keitel, Ray Liotta and Alec Baldwin were all considered; late-eighties Baldwin would have been interesting, Liotta a little too young, and nobody could be better than Farina.
  • Earlier aside: De Niro wanted the lead in Big to show a lighter side, the studio said no and went to Tom Hanks, who was nominated, while De Niro settled for Midnight Run and was not; which was the better career choice is left open, but De Niro as Josh Baskin, a thirteen-year-old at the piano with Robert Loggia, would have been creepy, so the studio made the right move.
Clueless The Rewatchables
Clueless

The Neil McCauley “A Book about Metals” Award for Best Line from the Movie

"If I'm too good for him, then how come I'm not with him?"; "She could be a farmer in those clothes"; "let's do a lap before we commit to a location"; "street slang is an increasingly valid form of expression"; "Virgin Who Can't Drive"; "that was way harsh, Ty"; "everywhere in L.A. takes 20 minutes"; "I totally paused"; "Want to practice parking? What's the point? Everywhere you go has valet."; "As if"

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  • Nominations open with Cher's 'if I'm too good for him, then how come I'm not with him', called an eternal truth and eternal question; 'she could be a farmer in those clothes' has many uses; and 'let's do a lap before we commit to a location' is excellent party advice.
  • Murray's long speech to Dion, played as a clip, is nominated for using the word misogynistic in 1995 so it rolls off his tongue; unlike Dawson's Creek, where characters seem to have memorized a thesaurus, Murray is proud of a prepared statement he delivered well, and Dion offers no comeback.
  • The 'virgin who can't drive' and 'that was way harsh, Ty' couplet is called maybe the most important exchange in the film; also listed are 'everywhere in L.A. takes 20 minutes', 'I totally paused', and Josh asking if they want to practice parking, answered that everywhere has valet, which one host finds true given a fixation with valet in Los Angeles.
  • The aphorisms are the truest and coolest in the film, and filling it with clever, eternally true lines is very Jane Austen; Amy Heckerling ('Hickling' as transcribed) modernized not just Austen's ideas but her way of having people describe their world, and the first-person approach makes it a perfect adaptation that stays true to the spirit while doing what it wants.
  • During the winner discussion a host realizes 'as if' was forgotten, calls it the best line and almost criminal to omit, and adds 'whatever' with the W hands, which the hosts did a lot.
Clueless The Rewatchables
Clueless

The Vivian Award for Best Clothes

The gym class outfit; the red velour dress Amber copies; the blue Oxford shirt with brown sweater vest and headband; the cardigan and t-shirt at dinner before the Val party; the leather skirt with white blouse when her report card arrives; the yellow plaid is disqualified as iconic

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  • The question is called the toughest of the pod; the yellow plaid is disqualified as iconic, and the gym class outfit is a pick, the skinny tank over a t-shirt that many people, the host included, tried at junior high dances without the same effect.
  • Further nominations: the red velour dress that Amber then copies ('rips off'), with the 'fashion victim or ensemble challenged' and 'Hey, Ambular' lines; the blue Oxford shirt with a brown sweater vest and headband; the cardigan and t-shirt at dinner with her dad and Ty before the Val party, where Cher's dinner line about breaking in her purple clogs prompts the question of whether the audience ever gets to see them, which the hosts would like to; a host notes they would like that advice in 2017.
  • One host's ultimate choice is the short leather skirt with white blouse Cher wears when her report card first comes in and she brings food to her dad; she looks incredible, few could wear a leather skirt casually, and the host bought one after the film without success; the hosts wonder if everything people copied from the film looked worse on them.
  • Knee socks and the one-inch headband were real trends, the headband crucial to the red outfit; Cher wears many headbands and looks great in them, a waspy look that is funny because Cher Horowitz is supposed to be Jewish.
Clueless The Rewatchables
Clueless

What’s Aged the Worst?

The Christian storyline, though the hosts move it toward aged pretty well; Christian's over-stylized retro persona; how the teenagers interact, such as Elton keeping Cher's photo in his locker; Murray and Elton sharing a popular crew; Cher and Ty doing a home workout video; the fashion computer's monitor

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Approx. transcript time · 00:24:53Read transcript
  • Cher's date with Christian is called the most problematic part of a problematic fave; asked whether falling for a gay man is a rom-com trope, the hosts can only think of the Rupert Everett and Madonna film and agree it is not really a rom-com thing, while finding it funny that the straight guys, Paul Rudd seeing Christian dance with a man and Murray, pick up on it before the ostensibly perceptive Cher and Dion.
  • Murray's reveal, played as a clip, uses 'friend of Dorothy', an old-school gay self-identifying marker from The Wizard of Oz, plus 'cake boy' and the Oscar Wilde, disco-dancing, Streisand-ticket-holding string; the hosts find it hilarious in a good way that Amy Heckerling put those words in Murray's mouth, call the Streisand line remarkable and Pulitzer-worthy, and the 'cake boy' line unfortunate.
  • Christian's analog in Emma, read from Wikipedia in a way Cher would endorse since she loves Cliff's Notes, is Frank Churchill, who courts Emma while secretly engaged to someone else and waiting on an aunt's inheritance, so the storylines are not really the same; the host prefers him being gay to that.
  • GLAAD ('Glad' as transcribed) gave Amy Heckerling an award for the storyline, which was very progressive at the time; Murray pointing out that Christian is gay is not malicious, the joke is that Cher is totally clueless, which one host says has happened to teenage girls and, going by the friends that host still counsels through it, women of all ages, so the item is moved to somewhere between aged best and aged pretty well.
  • What still annoys is Christian's style: the over-stylized guy obsessed with the twenties and thirties, who deserves Cher not knowing who Billie Holiday is, though Billie Holiday deserves better.
  • Discussing a possible remake, the hosts find the way these kids interact foreign to teenagers now; Elton keeping a photo Cher took in his locker is quaint, silly and confusing, which is part of why Elton gets kicked out of the picture because he sucks, and the 'social director of the crew' line is loved.
  • Murray and Elton being in the same crew of popular guys confuses one host, whose high school popular set was uniform in style rather than race; another went to a weird school with a wide range, and a third had a clearly defined cool tier with pressure to look the same, so the kids with sagging jeans and the Eltons would have mutually rejected each other.
  • Cher and Ty doing a home workout video instead of a class has aged badly, though it is set in the nineties when everyone had workout videos; the hosts recall sneaking a mother's 'Tybo' tape (as transcribed), a Paula Abdul video with a routine still remembered, and the Barbie workout video starring Jennifer Love Hewitt.
  • Earlier, during the opening-minutes discussion, the fashion computer's actual monitor is said to look like trash now and not to have aged well, even though the idea was forward thinking.
Clueless The Rewatchables
Clueless

What’s Aged the Best?

Cher's plaid outfit and most of her wardrobe; the craft and Amy Heckerling's direction; the affectionate satire; the jokes; Cher's kitchen; the upper-crust design aesthetics; the short skirts

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  • The plaid outfit still rocks and most of Cher's outfits are good, with her style coming back; one host wants to say the script but concedes certain aspects of it have not aged well, and lands on craft: the film was impeccably made, still really funny, with most jokes holding up despite being a specific nineties movie.
  • The film does not seem dated, has no fat and no scene to cut, so Amy Heckerling is what has held up best; she was ahead of her time because few satires manage to be so affectionate toward what they satirize, enjoying the silly characters even while mocking them, as with Ty's line that they speak like adults.
  • Cher's kitchen still reads as high-end: a Viking range and oven, the granite countertops seen on every HGTV show, great light, a good double-door refrigerator-freezer, and a startling quantity of cold cuts; only the cabinet handles would need updating.
  • A hand is raised to ask whether anyone noticed how the sandwich is made in the kitchen scene. — Amanda Dobbins
  • The sandwich scene is walked through: just after the makeover, Josh and Cher argue in the kitchen over whether her project has the right intentions while Paul Rudd gets out cold cuts, bread and mayonnaise, puts cold cuts on one slice, dips the knife for a paltry amount of mayo and spreads it directly on the turkey; the hosts are disgusted and wonder whether he was too busy acting to make a sandwich.
  • The sandwich has not enough mayo to moisten anything, no other condiments, no cheese and about one piece of turkey, a gross dry sandwich that horrified the hosts; even so Paul Rudd is a revelation and very funny in the film.
  • The design aesthetics hold up because the world is so upper crust that it is classic rather than trendy, unlike 90210 where the couches and styles look ridiculous; the real-life Los Angeles counterparts might lack taste, but Amy Heckerling's set and costume designers had it, and it clearly mattered that the film be nice to look at.
  • The skirts are really short without being slutty or trashy, which is hard to do, though perhaps the hosts are simply used to the look; the tiny white Calvin Klein dress is recalled with the clip of Cher's dad telling her it looks like underwear, and the hosts note she is only going on a date with the gay guy anyway.
Clueless The Rewatchables
Clueless

Most Rewatchable Scene

Dionne on the freeway; Cher's debate speech; Cher's arrest

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  • Dionne on the freeway is one pick, with the clip played: a cascade of ludicrous disasters including the biker gang, the old lady flipping the bird, the truck and the screaming, and it is what eventually leads Dionne to lose her virginity according to Cher; preceded by finding out Christian is gay, it is called a perfect, frenetic five minutes of pure comedy.
  • The freeway scene is infinitely referenceable for anyone who moved to Los Angeles late in their driving career; the hosts think it was filmed in Long Beach, probably the 405, because of a Long Beach sign in the back, and say the film takes on a whole new look once you live in LA; one navigated by Clueless for six months and mistook the Beverly Center for the Westside Pavilion where Ty had her near-death experience.
  • The debate speech about the Haitians, with the RSVP and Statue of Liberty line, is the pick. — Amanda Dobbins
  • The clip of the Haitians speech is played; the line about the Statue of Liberty is called politically true even though Cher is not aware of it, and she is smarter than she knows; the shot of her drawing out her gum after the last line is the one frame that describes Cher, and should have been her Oscar reel, since comedic performances are not honored enough and this is a defining performance of the decade.
  • A runner-up: the first ten minutes are among the best openings the host can think of, because the voiceover narration, usually a sign a film is being patched together, instead puts you in Cher's world with ten iconic lines in five minutes and the touch-screen fashion computer program, which was forward thinking even if the monitor looks like trash now and the hanger screensaver is perfect.
  • The yellow plaid outfit and Cher's cami-and-shorts pajamas are iconic, and the film gets too little credit for nailing walking and talking, less noticeable and weird than anything by Aaron Sorkin; Cher's default is walking and talking, taking a lap before committing to a location at school and in Contempo Casual at the mall.
  • A favorite small moment is Cher continuing to walk in the yellow plaid outfit while Dion and Murray have their weave argument and high school boys try to enter her space; she pushes them out of the way, a living diorama, and an excellent first-person piece of media, which is hard to do.
  • A third host has several nominations: the Val party, multifaceted and capped off by the head-shaving in the bathroom ('Dion shaving his head' as transcribed), with the 'keeping it real' clip; Ty's makeover, the ER montage, which loses points because nobody's hair dye comes out that easily, something the film taught the hosts that turned out not to be true.
  • The same host's favorite is Cher's arrest, with the exchange about her designer dress ('an Aliyah' as transcribed) and the robber's threat to shoot her, which has always resonated as really funny, plus the payphone, which the host used a lot as a kid; another thinks Cher is enough of a germaphobe not to touch a payphone, but she was desperate in Sun Valley, which is a lot further than the regular valley.
  • The lead-up has Cher's dad say you can get anywhere in LA in twenty minutes; one host defends it, since Silver Lake to the beach is thirty minutes before 11 a.m. on a Saturday, while another was late to everything for a year because everywhere actually takes forty-five minutes, like New York where a mile walk falls apart when the subway breaks down; the hosts agree the line means Beverly Hills destinations, not Venice, in 1995.
Clueless The Rewatchables
Clueless

Casting What-Ifs

Reese Witherspoon and Sarah Michelle Gellar were up for Cher; Paul Rudd reportedly wanted Christian or Murray; Jeremy Renner was up for Christian and, the host thinks, turned it down; Terrence Howard for Murray; Lauryn Hill for Dion; Owen Wilson tried out for Travis; Leah Remini auditioned for Ty; Zooey Deschanel was up for Amber and Cher

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  • The casting names are called almost more fun than Titanic's, which the same three hosts covered two weeks earlier, because people did not want to own up to passing on Titanic; Reese Witherspoon and Sarah Michelle Gellar were both up for Cher, the Gellar name recalled through Cruel Intentions.
  • A tangent: Cruel Intentions came a couple of years later, Clueless is a G rated movie by comparison, and one host cannot believe their parents let them watch Cruel Intentions all the time.
  • Paul Rudd, who played Josh, apparently wanted to be Christian or Murray; the hosts could see him as Christian but are glad he did not do it, and one was deep in Paul Rudd fandom in the nineties through the show Sisters, where he was Swoozie Kurtz's son-in-law married to Ashley Judd's character (names as transcribed).
  • Clueless and Paris in Romeo and Juliet are called the peak Paul Rudd run for one host, who says he never gets enough credit for sustained relevance but will never matter more than he did then.
  • The best what-if is Jeremy Renner being up for Christian, which the host thinks he turned down; the hosts can see it and wonder whether his career would have looked different, joking about his status in the Marvel movies.
  • More names in the mix: Terrence Howard for Murray, Lauryn Hill for Dion (she was acting then, as in Sister Act), Owen Wilson trying out for Travis, Leah Remini auditioning for Ty, and Zooey Deschanel up for both Amber and Cher; a Deschanel Cher is agreed to be a very different and worse movie.
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