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Approx. transcript time · 01:21:12Read transcript
  • The first answer is Rupert Everett, a lasting, scene-stealing performance, illustrated with his 'maybe there won't be marriage, maybe there won't be sex, but by God there'll be dancing' clip.
  • The counter-pick is Julia: a case exists for all three, and the film establishes Cameron Diaz as someone who can go toe-to-toe with the top actress of her generation, but this is Julia's comeback A plus list movie that sets up the run to America's sweetheart and her Oscar; the others agree a case can be made for the other two.
  • Cam is great and rules; no other actress went toe-to-toe with Julia in her extended prime, and in Ocean's Eleven and Ocean's 12 she does not interact with any women, as if she learned from Cameron Diaz; Stepmom with Susan Sarandon is remembered as a weird 1998 movie she loses and should not have taken.
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My Best Friend's Wedding

Probably Unanswerable Questions

Was she the worst maid of honor of all time? Does every woman want a perfect gay best friend? When did Cameron Diaz cut Julia Roberts out of their lives? Do Kimmy and Michael stay married? Does Julianne die alone, and how many marriages does she have?

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Approx. transcript time · 01:14:17Read transcript
  • Was she the worst maid of honor of all time: she could only have been worse by killing the bride, injuring someone or actually stealing the husband; against Anne Hathaway in Rachel's Getting Married (as transcribed), Hathaway has the excuse of being a family member fresh out of rehab, so Julia Roberts, a stranger parachuting in to ruin a wedding, is worse, and Rosemary DeWitt (as transcribed) would be a better sister than anyone here.
  • Does every woman want a perfect gay best friend like Rupert Everett: definitely, he seems like the dream, though one host already has a great one; a spouse's old idea for a Friendster-style service matching married women with gay best friends spawns a rom-com pitch about a man who pretends to be gay to join it and must later confess he is in love, which the hosts claim for The Ringer.
  • When did Cameron Diaz officially cut Julia Roberts out: one guess is on the honeymoon; another thinks the savvier Kimmy phases her out over a couple of months, playing hurt rather than confrontational; a third imagines one super-awkward dinner when Julianne is in town tasting plates, after which they never see her again.
  • Julianne is probably not in love with Michael; the point is that she is a narcissist who gets infatuated, and the story is about letting go, so she goes home ashamed, pissed that she lost and missing her friend rather than heartbroken for a year.
  • Do they stay married: no; Kimmy drops out of school at 20 to follow a sports writer, within a couple of years he takes the job at her father's company she and her dad discussed, lives in Chicago near the parents, is miserable, they fight and it falls apart.
  • Does Julianne die alone and does she ever marry: the over-under on marriages is two, a panic marriage within 18 months and a quick divorce, a second marriage with a kid that ends by 40 after therapy and some emotional growth, then a cohabiting partner as an AARP member.
  • The missing career chapter: around 2008 or 2009 the food movement takes off and the gorgeous unicorn food critic becomes a star with her own travel show rivaling Tony Bourdain's, 'On the road with Julianne', a Netflix series that could be the sequel.
My Best Friend's Wedding

The Neil McCauley “A Book about Metals” Award for Best Line from the Movie

"I am a dangerous criminal person. I do bad things to honest people"; "it's so against God's plan"; "You're never gonna be Jell-O"; "Choose me, marry me"

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Approx. transcript time · 01:13:14Read transcript
  • The first nominees are 'I am a dangerous criminal person. I do bad things to honest people' and Rupert Everett's excited 'it's so against God's plan' when everyone thinks he is her fiance; he is really good in this.
  • At the brunch Julia Roberts plays go-between with the creme brulee metaphor: he wants Jell-O, Cameron Diaz's character offers to be Jell-O, and Julia's reply that she is never going to be Jell-O is a line one host thinks about a lot.
  • The 'choose me, marry me' speech is defended as great and quite emotional, even though the later 'just a girl standing in front of a boy' line became the iconic Julia Roberts speech; Meredith Gray (as transcribed) says almost exactly this to Derek and perfects it.
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Approx. transcript time · 00:57:35Read transcript
  • Asked whether this is the Apex Mountain of rom-coms, the first answers are a flat no, twice, before the hosts call it essential to the genre, top five for one, the first to twist the rom-com gimmick and the last place the genre could go; whether it is the apex before the genre went downhill draws only a maybe, a case could be made, and a flat not convinced.
  • The twist and the respect for the rom-com form are liked, since it gets the impulse to see people together before twisting it; Notting Hill in 1999 is raised as a further meta-commentary that is really Julia Roberts' life, with her playing a bad person there too.
  • Rupert Everett is a 100 percent yes, an iconic performance and the breakout element the movie needed alongside the comeback star and the second star; he went on to the Madonna movie, which has not aged well, had James Bond talk about whether he could be the first gay Bond, and this remains his most mainstream and most fun performance beside period pieces like Madness of King George and The Importance of Being Earnest.
  • Cameron Diaz is not at her apex here, though she is really good; her apex is There's Something About Mary, a massive movie that arguably deserved an Oscar nomination and made her a gigantic star, after which she dated Matt Dillon and entered the Us Weekly stream.
  • Her dating history is called rough by one host because it never worked out, and impressive by another: Justin Timberlake, the baseball player known as A Rod, a broken nose surfing; the JT age gap is compared to Sandra Bullock and Ryan Gosling.
  • Julia Roberts is a yes: Pretty Woman blew her up, but this movie re-established her as the most bankable, A plus list actress, set up the next five years and led to her Oscar, so it righted the ship; one voice finds that reasonable, and Ocean's Eleven is floated for her astonishing but not lead role.
  • Chicago as an Apex Mountain is rejected as insulting; Dermot Mulroney is a yes for sure, since it never got better, or worse, for him.
  • An early aside calls 1997 and this film arguably the apex of rom-coms, the top of the crescendo, after which the genre went off a cliff a little.
  • Before the categories, one host previews that Cameron Diaz's Apex Mountain is There's Something About Mary, a role nobody else could have played as likable, funny and slapstick.
My Best Friend's Wedding

Half-Assed Internet Research

Dermot Mulroney presented Julia Roberts with a woman of the decade award at the Guys Choice Awards; in 2001 producer Jerry Zucker discussed a sequel called My Best Friend's Divorce; test audiences found Julia too evil, prompting reshoots that beefed up Rupert Everett; the original ending had Julia meet a John Corbett character; the new ending was shot eight months after wrap with Roberts in a wig over her pixie cut

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Approx. transcript time · 00:54:37Read transcript
  • Dermot Mulroney and Julia Roberts are still very close; he presented her with the woman of the decade award at the Guys Choice Awards, the joke being that nobody else would go; in 2001 there were talks, per producer Jerry Zucker, about My Best Friend's Divorce, with Kimmy and Michael on the verge of a split, which the hosts find extremely believable.
  • The test audience thought Julia was too evil in the original cut, so reshoots beefed up Rupert Everett's character; in the original ending Julia met a man played by John Corbett with the hope she had found someone, but it did not test well and the audience wanted more of George and more singing.
  • The hosts do not want Aiden brought in to fix the ending either, poor Aiden being the second choice; a new ending was filmed eight months after the film wrapped, with Roberts back on set in an expensive updo wig covering her recent pixie cut, so she wears a wig in the final cell-phone scene with George.
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Approx. transcript time · 00:53:38Read transcript
  • Rupert Everett is ruled ineligible because he is in too many scenes, and so is Cameron Diaz; one host picks Carrie Preston, who answers the phone at the end and talks about her sister licking the ice sculpture of the David, and calls her a good CBS sitcom and drama actress now on a CBS show transcribed as 'The Good Way'.
  • Paul Giamatti's big scene as the hotel bellhop who has a life talk with Julia is the most empathetic he has ever been on screen, really strong, though the hosts now have too much history with him and half expected him to take her to an S&M parlor.
  • Another host's choice is the three helium kids, a very small amount of screen time but phenomenal; the Carrie Preston voter sticks with Carrie Preston.
My Best Friend's Wedding

Most Rewatchable Scene

The karaoke scene; the 'Say a Little Prayer' lunch

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Approx. transcript time · 00:31:24Read transcript
  • The host running the category leaves the choice to the other two and lists candidates: the karaoke scene, Rupert Everett singing 'Say a Little Prayer' (a spouse's favorite four minutes of the movie), the 'choose me, marry me' speech, which is both crazy and heartfelt and which the hosts connect to Grey's Anatomy, Notting Hill and 90210's Kelly Taylor 'I choose me', the bathroom fight at Comiskey Park, and the ending with giant cell phones that somehow had service everywhere in 1997.
  • One more nominee is the boat scene, where she and Dermot Mulroney almost talk about their feelings, then dance while he sings 'The Way You Look Tonight'.
  • The karaoke scene is the pick because it shows the whole range of emotions for everyone involved, and Cam really brings it. — Juliet Litman
  • The 'Say a Little Prayer' lunch is the pick: iconic, a laugh every single time, especially the cutaway to the lobster restaurant where people in lobster mitts wave their hands; it also highlights how 90s rom-coms outside Nora Ephron's used a chirping ensemble like a musical. — Amanda Dobbins
  • Another host's personal favorite is the bathroom fight: the best acting of Cameron Diaz, thirty women in the women's bathroom rolling with the punches and getting mad at Julia Roberts, two famous actresses at the peak of their powers in a showdown; its climax, the 'and a food critic' jab, is parked for what's aged the worst.
  • The recap splits the two deciders between the karaoke scene and the lunch singing scene, both singing scenes; the helium kids appear at the Sunday brunch before the wedding and are high comedy.
Clueless The Rewatchables
Clueless

What’s Aged the Worst?

The Christian storyline, though the hosts move it toward aged pretty well; Christian's over-stylized retro persona; how the teenagers interact, such as Elton keeping Cher's photo in his locker; Murray and Elton sharing a popular crew; Cher and Ty doing a home workout video; the fashion computer's monitor

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Approx. transcript time · 00:24:53Read transcript
  • Cher's date with Christian is called the most problematic part of a problematic fave; asked whether falling for a gay man is a rom-com trope, the hosts can only think of the Rupert Everett and Madonna film and agree it is not really a rom-com thing, while finding it funny that the straight guys, Paul Rudd seeing Christian dance with a man and Murray, pick up on it before the ostensibly perceptive Cher and Dion.
  • Murray's reveal, played as a clip, uses 'friend of Dorothy', an old-school gay self-identifying marker from The Wizard of Oz, plus 'cake boy' and the Oscar Wilde, disco-dancing, Streisand-ticket-holding string; the hosts find it hilarious in a good way that Amy Heckerling put those words in Murray's mouth, call the Streisand line remarkable and Pulitzer-worthy, and the 'cake boy' line unfortunate.
  • Christian's analog in Emma, read from Wikipedia in a way Cher would endorse since she loves Cliff's Notes, is Frank Churchill, who courts Emma while secretly engaged to someone else and waiting on an aunt's inheritance, so the storylines are not really the same; the host prefers him being gay to that.
  • GLAAD ('Glad' as transcribed) gave Amy Heckerling an award for the storyline, which was very progressive at the time; Murray pointing out that Christian is gay is not malicious, the joke is that Cher is totally clueless, which one host says has happened to teenage girls and, going by the friends that host still counsels through it, women of all ages, so the item is moved to somewhere between aged best and aged pretty well.
  • What still annoys is Christian's style: the over-stylized guy obsessed with the twenties and thirties, who deserves Cher not knowing who Billie Holiday is, though Billie Holiday deserves better.
  • Discussing a possible remake, the hosts find the way these kids interact foreign to teenagers now; Elton keeping a photo Cher took in his locker is quaint, silly and confusing, which is part of why Elton gets kicked out of the picture because he sucks, and the 'social director of the crew' line is loved.
  • Murray and Elton being in the same crew of popular guys confuses one host, whose high school popular set was uniform in style rather than race; another went to a weird school with a wide range, and a third had a clearly defined cool tier with pressure to look the same, so the kids with sagging jeans and the Eltons would have mutually rejected each other.
  • Cher and Ty doing a home workout video instead of a class has aged badly, though it is set in the nineties when everyone had workout videos; the hosts recall sneaking a mother's 'Tybo' tape (as transcribed), a Paula Abdul video with a routine still remembered, and the Barbie workout video starring Jennifer Love Hewitt.
  • Earlier, during the opening-minutes discussion, the fashion computer's actual monitor is said to look like trash now and not to have aged well, even though the idea was forward thinking.
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