Podcast Host, The Ringer
Van Lathan
Van Lathan is billed as a participant in the official Rewatchables episode feed. Further biography has not been verified for this prototype.
Also referred to as Ben Lanthan, Bane Latham, Van
Stats
- Episodes credited in this archive
- 79
- Movies in this archive
- 78
- Attributed podcast choices
- 13
Across the table
Appearing on these Rewatchables episodes
Boyz n the Hood
1991 film
Bill Simmons · Sean Fennessey · Van Lathan · Logan Murdock
Aired June 29, 2021
Mentioned in discussions
The Great Shot Gordo Award for Most Cinematic Shot
Van’s death with the approaching ambulance; the under-table touch; Penny’s phone-call reveal.
In the discussion (3)
- Peck choking Van as the ambulance approaches behind him, reflected lights visible on the door. — Bill Simmons
- The rear view of Peck touching Mrs. Arrocas's leg with her husband between them. — Bill Simmons
- The pullback revealing Penny atop Dennis during the phone call. — Van Lathan
What’s Aged the Best?
Evidence planting; menswear and haircuts; Los Angeles; Figgis; Metcalf; marriage tension; co-parenting; revised ending; mall security; cuckolding.
In the discussion (13)
- Evidence planting remains an effective fictional device, especially before ubiquitous cameras and phones.
- The good investigator beginning to resemble the corrupt man he pursues. — Bill Simmons
- Off-duty menswear, including Gere's polo and sunglasses, remains contemporary. — Chris Ryan
- Figgis contributing music and appearing as Nancy Travis's dinner companion. — Chris Ryan
- Los Angeles as a vibrant crime-film setting, and Gere and Garcia's early-1990s haircuts. — Bill Simmons
- Laurie Metcalf excels despite a limited role and has strong chemistry with Garcia. — Bill Simmons
- The unusual sexual slang root, made ironic by Peck's affair with Van's wife.
- Unfinished suburban developments as crime-film locations and suspiciously expensive houses revealing corruption.
- Faye Grant's performance and the tense Garcia–Travis marriage, with her sexual frustration and his fixation on work. — Bill Simmons
- Peck's unconventional co-parenting and the dirty-cop excuse that a woman is his informant.
- Replacing the convoluted original ending, with a threatened assault, shooting, window fall and apparent drowning, after hostile test reactions. — Bill Simmons
- Xander Berkeley as Rudy and cops forced to work second jobs as mall security.
- The cuckolding theme is much more widely recognized in contemporary culture.
Most Rewatchable Scene
The first Dennis–Raymond encounter; the jealousy sequence through the elevator fight.
In the discussion (11)
- The middle hour is praised as the film's strongest stretch; the first nominated scene is Raymond meeting Dennis at the taco stand. — Bill Simmons
- Dennis turns Raymond's insinuation about Penny into an intimate attack on his own marriage, blurring manipulation with apparent friendly advice.
- Dennis's speech that all wives seek something new is a memorable part of the taco-stand encounter. — Bill Simmons
- The taco-stand scene reveals Peck's real nature after earlier scenes present him as a helpful father figure to colleagues.
- Dennis meets the Arrocas, fondles the wife while the husband asks him to kill his parents, and converts the secret into leverage; John Kapelos's awkwardness is praised.
- The second Dennis–Raymond encounter deliberately provokes punches with explicit sexual taunts. The first encounter is considered subtler and harder to perform.
- The camera pulls back during Van's phone call to reveal Penny having sex with Dennis, a shocking and sad reveal.
- Dennis arranges Van's shooting, kills the shooter and finishes Van as he pleads to return to his child; the initially abusive man becomes sympathetic.
- The later shootout and chase are solid additional action scenes.
- Raymond's jealousy after Dennis's lunch with his wife leads to the elevator ambush and brutal sexual taunts.
- Final preferences divide between the first restaurant encounter and the jealousy-to-elevator sequence, whose sudden danger resembles horror. — Chris Ryan
Probably Unanswerable Questions
Van Stretch’s name; wives seeking novelty; murder-for-hire prices; the burger stand; Kathleen’s underwear.
In the discussion (5)
- Is Van Stretch his full name or a surname like Van Horn? The panel believes Van is his given name.
- Whether all wives seek something new remains unanswered. — Bill Simmons
- What is the fair 1990 price for killing wealthy parents? The hosts suggest roughly $40,000–75,000 while questioning what Peck actually received. — Bill Simmons
- Where is the burger-and-prostitution hangout? Downtown and the Beverly–Alvarado area are proposed without resolution.
- Peck apparently stole Kathleen's underwear by breaking in; the hosts question whether Raymond would recognize it immediately.
In the discussion (2)
- The source reads I hate California split at the pairing prompt, leaving its intended nomination uncertain. Fight Club is an explicit choice as reverse-Rounders, with Norton as poker’s Tyler.
- The 1974 Gambler with James Kahn is explicitly recommended via a gifted poster; Cape Fear is another selected dark pairing based on Van’s theory.
Sequel, Prequel, Limited Series, or All-Black Remake
Worm prequels; Worm as villain; Judges Night Out; Gerbil and Jo’s son
In the discussion (4)
- Worm in jail or young Mike/Worm fixing high-school basketball are wanted; a Little Worm title is pitched.
- Van’s reported rejected pitch makes Worm the new KGB figure and climaxes with Mike against him. A Russian accent and taunting title are jokes. — Van Lathan
- Judges Night Out would frame a legal case with a brief poker game at each end, borrowing Law and Order structure.
- Another sequel makes Mike a champion and returns Worm after 20 years; Affleck as brother Gerbil, Johnny Chan and Joe’s internet-playing son populate a final table. Petrovsky as the father is a joke. — Bill Simmons
The Stephen A. Smith Hottest Take Award
Obvious tell; Worm’s conspiracy; ESPN’s benefit
In the discussion (3)
- Chris argues Mike should spot Teddy’s cookie tell much earlier given his hand-reading skills. Malkovich reportedly added the near-ear cookie opening to the scripted eat/not-eat signal; how that works is questioned. — Chris Ryan
- Van imagines a Cape Fear-like sequel in which Worm deliberately ruins Mike, even diverting the repaid loan through Jo. This is an invented conspiracy, not an asserted plot reveal. Serpico and Kaiser Sozay character comparisons follow. — Van Lathan
- Another take calls ESPN the biggest beneficiary because poker filled long summers; a hockey-strike explanation is questioned and celebrity storytelling is praised. This is not a Who Won ballot. — Sean Fennessey
Mallory Rubin Award: Did This Movie Need a Better Sex Scene?
Mike rejecting Petra
In the discussion (3)
- Petra’s visit should lead to sex after the breakup, according to Van, who imagines an alternate morning together. Jo is criticized as annoying and controlling; a Spider-Man 2 leisure analogy meets the objection that it does not cost 30000. — Van Lathan
- Petra shares Mike’s poker knowledge, asks for money, initiates contact and offers to stay; rejecting her is judged implausible. Her exact offer is corrected from why don’t I stay to I can stay; his empty apartment makes the desire clearer.
- The writers reportedly called this their biggest mistake in 2006, explaining they wanted the debt to command immediate attention but now thought that choice wrong. — Bill Simmons
The Butch’s Girlfriend Award for the Weakest Link in the Film
Jo’s writing; Mike rejecting Petra
In the discussion (3)
- Petra’s visit should lead to sex after the breakup, according to Van, who imagines an alternate morning together. Jo is criticized as annoying and controlling; a Spider-Man 2 leisure analogy meets the objection that it does not cost 30000. — Van Lathan
- Petra shares Mike’s poker knowledge, asks for money, initiates contact and offers to stay; rejecting her is judged implausible. Her exact offer is corrected from why don’t I stay to I can stay; his empty apartment makes the desire clearer.
- The writers reportedly called this their biggest mistake in 2006, explaining they wanted the debt to command immediate attention but now thought that choice wrong. — Bill Simmons
Most Rewatchable Scene
Rolled-up aces speech; Mike defeats Teddy KGB
In the discussion (12)
- Teddy crushing Mike opens the choices. A writer is credited with inventing three stacks of high society, replacing three big dimes, and spreading it into real casino language.
- Mike’s full-house shove fails to consider Teddy’s aces; the hosts blame overconfidence after bluffing Johnny Chan. Equinox basketball success versus trying out for the Lakers is an analogy, and his defeated face/Kinnish telling him to leave are praised.
- Reading the judges’ hands impresses the audience. The writers reportedly saw a similar real feat; seven-card stud makes it easier, and televised hand-reading is cited. Worrying too much about others’ cards remains a possible Mike flaw; one speaker simply finds it cool.
- The mansion game restores Mike and Worm’s rhythm and sharp dialogue. Worm engineers Mike’s lateness and repeatedly wins forgiveness, showing that Mike himself is his mark.
- The girlfriend’s departure and rolled-up-aces speech lead to the excited decision to play cards. Worm’s fist pump and the James Gang song make the scene elite.
- Chesterfield South, its nature-channel banter and rent-money insult are praised as a credible closed poker world; the real Mayfair is the reported model.
- The municipal-worker game is a candidate. Mike’s face registers disaster when Worm arrives; leaving immediately seems obvious, but the remaining four-thousand target explains taking the risk. A Wild On viewing excuse is hypothetical.
- Mike recounting the Johnny Chan bluff and the flashback are chosen. Turturro is praised despite only an estimated four or five scenes. — Bill Simmons
- The final Teddy confrontation is a sustained run of taunts, cookie tell and the winning straight. His turning away to soccer and theatrical lines are relished; the suggestion he fixed the match is a joke, and Borat is a character/impression comparison.
- Worm alone with Roman and Maurice and the hot-dog sequence receive an extra nomination for Norton’s virtuosity and the Sputnik insult. — Chris Ryan
- The judge’s yeshiva story is an extra choice for thematic importance despite apparent repetition. Petra’s visit is suggested then explicitly deferred to aged-best discussion.
- Two adjacent choices favor the rolled-up-aces speech; Van and Chris explicitly favor the final defeat of KGB. These are scene preferences, not movie-winner ballots. — Bill Simmons
The Coach Finstock Award for Best Life Lesson
Do not let anyone make you feel like a mistake
In the discussion (1)
- Life lesson: do not let others make you feel like a mistake. Van adds a deliberately provocative condom joke tied to Apollo having a child; it is not health advice.
Probably Unanswerable Questions
Apollo’s third fight; Adonis’s job; Rocky’s son; Tone Trump photo; Mary Anne’s wealth
In the discussion (5)
- Rocky says Apollo won their private third fight. Bill doubts whether he is sparing the son’s feelings; Van thinks Apollo probably won. The uncertainty remains unresolved. — Bill Simmons
- Nitpicks/unanswerable: Adonis’s financial-services job and work history are unclear, and weekend Tijuana boxing seems incompatible with managing clients’ money; Don Johnson is an appealing adviser-name joke.
- Unanswerable: would Creed’s breakthrough uplift Philadelphia during poor Eagles and Sixers seasons? His Los Angeles–Philadelphia–Liverpool route is jokingly the reverse of Chris’s family migration.
- Unanswerable: why does Rocky’s son not visit during chemotherapy, and did Tone Trump retain or post his photograph with Adonis after their fight? — Bill Simmons
- Unanswerable: Adonis as the success of Philadelphia’s Process is a sports joke; Mary Anne’s wealth and his privileged upbringing are discussed without a firm financial answer.
Flex picks
The Proof of Life / David Caruso Award for a Character Who Should Have Been Spun Off into Their Own Sequel
Giancarlo Esposito’s Cassius Clay Sr., watching his son’s rise
Flex pick · Van Lathan
In the discussion (2)
- The flex category explicitly asks which character deserves a sequel. — Van Lathan
- Cassius Clay Sr.’s perspective across his son’s transformation is the chosen story. — Van Lathan
Five Movies Not Getting Greenlit in 2026
1. Soul Man; 2. The Birth of a Nation (1915); 3. Juwanna Mann; 4. Tropic Thunder; 5. The Ringer.
Flex pick · Van Lathan
In the discussion (10)
- The Ringer ranks fifth on the list of five movies not getting greenlit in 2026. — Van Lathan
- Tropic Thunder ranks fourth because the intact film is doubted as a present-day greenlight. — Van Lathan
- Juwanna Mann ranks third because a man dominates the women’s league. — Van Lathan
- The Birth of a Nation ranks second, specifically the 1915 film rather than the later film with the same title. — Van Lathan
- Soul Man ranks first and is considered impossible to make in 2026. — Van Lathan
- The film’s anti-racist conclusion is offered as a counterargument, but another speaker argues that viewers cannot get past its premise to reach that lesson.
- The Crying Game is proposed as another film likely to be attacked today, particularly because its secret would be deliberately spoiled.
- Fight Club is proposed as difficult to release now because preview coverage would expose its twist; the counterdiscussion focuses on lost secrecy rather than whether production itself is impossible.
- The Blair Witch Project is rejected as workable under the same modern secrecy conditions. — Van Lathan
- American History X is considered still makeable. — Van Lathan
Flex pick · Van Lathan
In the discussion (4)
- Van’s explicitly introduced top-five fictional bands are, from fifth to first: Josie and the Pussycats, the Wonders, Spinal Tap, the Five Heartbeats and Stillwater; Eddie and the Cruisers is intentionally excluded from this episode’s list. — Bill Simmons
- A follow-up distinguishes best fictional band from best music: the Five Heartbeats, Wonders, Eddie and the Cruisers and Stillwater are compared, with Fever Dog considered a weaker signature than On the Dark Side or That Thing You Do!. — Van Lathan
- The Revolution and the Time are excluded as actual bands despite Purple Rain’s fictional framing; Sex Bob-omb is suggested as an additional candidate.
- Additional fictional-band candidates include Sex Bob-omb, the EuroTrip band, Hey That’s My Bike, CB4 and Citizen Dick; the Dan Band is distinguished as real and Citizen Dick’s onscreen performance is disputed.
How Would Van Lathan Get Out of This One?
A motel visit framed as adult political and cultural outreach
Flex pick · Van Lathan
In the discussion (1)
- Van explicitly selects How Would Van Get Out of This One, inventing a defense of a motel visit as political/cultural outreach with adult college fans; the lengthy story is a comic hypothetical, not an event. — Van Lathan
Flex pick · Van Lathan
In the discussion (5)
- The top five begins with Running Scared fifth and Reggie/Jack fourth; the latter placement is disputed. — Van Lathan
- Vincent/Jules rank third and Sidney/Billy second, with the action-comedy boundaries explicitly stretched. — Van Lathan
- Riggs/Murtaugh rank first; 48 Hours is defended as the influential prototype, and the ranking remains disputed. — Van Lathan
- Honorable mentions are Django, Men in Black, The Last Boy Scout and Money Talks; Men in Black could replace Running Scared. — Van Lathan
- Wilder/Pryor are qualified, while Crockett/Tubbs raises the distinction between movie and television duos.
How Would Van Lathan Get Out of This One?
Rick separately reframes Kevin’s betrayal to his wife and sets boundaries with his girlfriend.
Flex pick · Van Lathan
In the discussion (3)
- The speaker chooses Rick and tells his wife that Kevin’s betrayal proves her prior suspicions right. — Van Lathan
- For Monique, the speaker proposes reasserting that their time apart is separate and offering a later hotel visit. — Van Lathan
- The panel questions why Rick must arrange the late-night pizza and jokes about how both women might resist his framing. — Van Lathan
Did This Movie Need a Random Sports Scene?
Yes: a Halloween-night homecoming football gathering could let Michael attack players and even suit up as an unstoppable tight end.
Flex pick · Van Lathan
In the discussion (1)
- A football game or team gathering would widen Haddonfield beyond the hospital and give Michael athletic victims. — Van Lathan
The Den of Thieves Benihana Award for Scene-Stealing Location
Clarksdale and the American South
Flex pick · Van Lathan
In the discussion (2)
- Clarksdale and the American South are praised for textured beauty and convincingly old buildings. — Van Lathan
- A Mississippi drive past cotton fields illustrates the South’s brutal beauty and its uneasy historical associations. — Van Lathan
Did This Movie Need a Random Sports Scene?
Yes—a Yankees game
Flex pick · Van Lathan
In the discussion (1)
- The flex proposes an actual Yankees game during the stadium scene. The baseball strike may explain access, but the film could mention it; the Mets’ stadium is another option.
The Stephen A. Smith Hottest Take Award
An accidental Luke–Leia sexual relationship; Han mistreats Luke; Star Wars is great art and a damaging industrial precedent
Flex pick · Van Lathan
In the discussion (4)
- The trilogy is said to become darker and better if Luke and Leia unknowingly have sex before learning they are siblings.
- The imagined guilt is argued to give Luke a stronger pull toward the dark side. — Van Lathan
- Star Wars is called both one of the best films ever and one of the worst things to happen to Hollywood because of its industrial influence.
- Han is called a cock-blocking dickhead who pursues Leia and tells Luke not to get cocky after Luke's success. — Chris Ryan
Paulie Award for Asshole of the Film
Paulie
The panel proposes a new category here.
Flex pick · Van Lathan
In the discussion (3)
- Van explicitly selected flex Paulie Award for Asshole of Film, Paulie winner. Discusses sequel power-of-attorney financial ruin, objection Rocky V never happened; modest defense Rocky IV his best version.
- Paulie flex continued: treats sister as commodity, blames her for unmarried life, insults her, destroys Thanksgiving turkey while keeping leg and coerces date. Rocky partly complicit in coercion; exaggerated wished-for retaliation. — Chris Ryan
- Paulie flex: no redeeming deep-down goodness; proposed Paulie/Panino why-character-awful naming, neighbors would tire of yelling.
Top Five List
Top five "white people solve racism" movies
Flex pick · Van Lathan
In the discussion (3)
- The explicitly ranked white-people-solve-racism list begins with The Blind Side at number five and A Time to Kill at number four. — Van Lathan
- Number three is described as everyone being racist and beautiful, referring to the current film in context; The Help is second and Driving Miss Daisy first. — Van Lathan
- The Help and Driving Miss Daisy are mocked as self-congratulatory, while The Help’s actors are praised; a bookstore colleague deliberately called the book The Hep. — Joanna Robinson











