Unanswerable: how directly John Wick borrowed the damaged retired-assassin manner from Creasy, despite different worldbuilding. — Chris Ryan
Davante Adams's unsmiling walk after catches is jokingly compared with Creasy leaving an explosion. — Bill Simmons
Why Creasy does not kill everyone at the end is answered by his awareness that accumulated wounds are fatal; joking bleed-it-out comparisons are not medical advice. — Bill Simmons
How many fingers one could lose before confessing gets an immediate-surrender answer; portraying torture pain without parody is also questioned. — Bill Simmons
Amy Irving is doubted because she was in Carrie with Travolta and was probably too famous; Carrie Fisher auditioned before Star Wars and would have been better than Gorney. — Bill Simmons
Accent matters most: Gorney's fake New York accent is unconvincing, illustrated by an impression of a Brooklyn aunt. — Jimmy Kimmel
Donna Pescow, from Brooklyn, had to bring her accent back; Paramount executives Eisner and Katzenberg thought her too pretty, so she gained about 10 pounds and auditioned six times. — Bill Simmons
The movie is called too long at three hours and eight minutes; another disagrees, nearly naming three-hour movies as what aged best. — Brian Koppelman
Cut the Sissy Spacek scenes: nobody cares about Garrison's family, compared to the domestic scenes in Donnie Brasco where the wife drags the hero away. — Brian Koppelman
Liz Garrison's big contribution is telling the housekeeper to get hold of herself; Spacek has no good scene, and she yells at Jim over his JFK nightmares.
Counterpoint: the family scenes carry 'daddy never keeps his promises' and the trauma of the American male lied to by the American father; the reply is that the fatherhood style has aged the worst. — Brian Koppelman
It should have been an assassination movie; a parenting tangent follows, then the argument that a movie about an obsessive must show the cost of obsession, with agreement that the scenes are badly written and could be cut. — Brian Koppelman
Stone is said to have cared about making Garrison a well-rounded role Costner would want; the Kathleen Quinlan role in Apollo 13 works because her husband is in a spaceship.
Worst line: Garrison saying 'I should have loved you more' as he and his wife are about to have sex.
Tangent: Kay's return scene in The Godfather is called the worst scene of the best movie ever by one participant and defended as perfect by others.
Costner's accent goes in and out, better than his Prince of Thieves accent and like Bull Durham in the courtroom; Pesci's is worse; a courtroom line echoes The Untouchables.
The hosts say the magic bullet theory has been pretty much debunked over how Connolly was sitting, while Stone's documentary still argues the trajectory; one participant still believes in four bullets.
Last: Pesci, liked far less by two participants; conflating homosexuality with the mafia and anti-communist soldiers is called whacked, and one cannot suspend disbelief with Pesci's baggage in the role.
Olivia Diaba (as spoken), described as the teenage daughter from The Wonder Years and from Kicking and Screaming, would be the right age and easy to buy. — Chuck Klosterman
Sharon Stone is floated, but would compete with Morrison too much; she could have played the Kathleen Quinlan part.
