Alec Baldwin was the first choice to play Richard Kimble; he had also been first offered Ford's Patriot Games role, which suggests Baldwin had more juice than Ford in 1992-93.
Baldwin reportedly wanted control of his career and too much money and did not want to be a franchise pawn; Patriot Games is contrasted with Hunt for Red October.
A correction: this was not the end of Ford's heyday because Air Force One was still ahead; Six Days, Seven Nights, overshadowed by a controversy around its co-star, is called the real end.
Michael Douglas, Kevin Costner and Andy Garcia were also considered for Kimble; only Costner is found believable because Kimble needs something wholesome, while Douglas and Baldwin seem like they might have done it.
Walter Hill wanted to direct with Nick Nolte, who thought he was too old; one participant would have loved a Walter Hill version but thinks it worked out.
"A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with fava beans and a nice glass of Chianti."; "Senator, one more thing. Love your suit."; "Hey, are you about a size 14?"; "You don't know what pain is!"; "Oh, is she a big fat person?"
With the Gumm lines already covered, the census-taker line is called iconic, along with Hopkins's pronunciation of Chianti, and 'Senator, one more thing. Love your suit' is praised for its delivery, which Gene Hackman might not have matched; it was an era, with Terminator 2, of lines built to be repeated.
Lecter's remark in the breastfeeding exchange with the senator made theater audiences squirm; Gumm's size 14 question and 'you don't know what pain is' are also cited.
One host's personal favorite is Gumm answering Clarice's knock about Mrs. Lippman by asking whether she was a big fat person and then fetching the index cards; the other has no additions, and Charles Napier's scream when he is hit is added.
Gene Hackman co-owned the rights and planned to direct and possibly play Jack Crawford before backing out; Sean Connery and Jeremy Irons turned down Lecter; Ed Harris turned down Crawford because he wanted Lecter; Michelle Pfeiffer, the first choice for Clarice, and Meg Ryan turned it down; Redford, Hoffman and Robert Duvall are mentioned as Lecter possibilities
The book rights were originally bought 50-50 by Mike Medavoy at Orion and Gene Hackman, who was going to direct and maybe star or just play Jack Crawford; one host says Hackman still should have played Crawford, though Scott Glenn is amazing.
Ted Talley (as transcribed) was hired to write what is called one of the great screenplays of the last 30 or 40 years; after the controversial Mississippi Burning, Hackman's daughter told him the film was too violent, he backed out, Orion paid him back his half and brought on Jonathan Demme, who began looking for a Lecter.
Sean Connery reportedly refused outright, calling the role grotesque, and Jeremy Irons would not do it either, possibly because he did not want to play two villains in a row after Reversal of Fortune; the hosts try Connery's voice on the fava beans line and conclude it would not work.
Ed Harris turned down Jack Crawford because he wanted Lecter, which is jokingly called a heat check and a little Dion Waiters of him.
Michelle Pfeiffer, first choice for Clarice, turned it down as too violent after working with Demme on Married to the Mob, and one host thinks that would have been really cool; Meg Ryan also passed at a time she was offered everything, which led to her casting in The Doors.
With Gene Hackman as Lecter the film could have gone badly wrong, the hosts say, and it would now be stuck on a minor cable channel at two in the morning.
Later, during research, the hosts are happy with Scott Glenn as Crawford over Tommy Lee Jones, cannot see Jones as Lecter, are glad Lecter was not Redford, Hoffman or Robert Duvall, and wonder whether Daniel Day Lewis was too early for it.
A more charismatic actor in the Paul Newman mold is proposed as a way to change the character, though Newman is considered too old for the part at that time. — Chris Ryan
Al Pacino is preferred over Nolte. Jack Nicholson is considered in the correct age range, but the speaker is unsure how he would play despite his basketball knowledge and jokes that nobody would take his money. Gene Hackman is then offered positively, while also making the Hoosiers borrowing more obvious.
