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Stand by Me

89 minutes

Cast

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Wil Wheaton Gordie Lachance
River Phoenix Chris Chambers
Corey Feldman Teddy Duchamp
Jerry O'Connell Vern Tessio
Kiefer Sutherland Ace Merrill
Casey Siemaszko Billy Tessio
Gary Riley Charlie Hogan
Bradley Gregg Richard "Eyeball" Chambers
Jason Oliver Vince Desjardins
Marshall Bell Mr. Lachance
Frances Lee McCain Mrs. Lachance
Bruce Kirby Mr. Quidacioluo (store owner)
William Bronder Milo Pressman (junkyard owner)
Scott Beach Mayor Grundy
Richard Dreyfuss The Writer (adult Gordie)
John Cusack Denny Lachance
Popeye Chopper
Matt Williams Bob Cormier
Andy Lindberg David "Lard-Ass" Hogan

Stand by Me | The Rewatchables

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Most Rewatchable Scene

Train bridge crossing

In the discussion (16)
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  • The first pick is the early run-in with Ace, who takes the Yankee hat Denny gave Gordy; it does a lot in two minutes, establishing Ace, Gordy's inability to fight back and Chris not yet able to stop the cigarette.
  • There is not a wasted frame: the end mirrors the beginning, and the world holds only the kids looking for Ray Brower and the Cobras, with no parents or cops.
  • Gordy's trip to the store for Cokes and hamburger meat, the store guy's quarterback comment about his brother, and the junkyard chase that ends with Feldman yelling at the junkyard guy is a favorite; the store evokes first solo shopping trips, though baseball cards at the counter would have been a nice touch.
  • Chris's speech about Gordy's gift for writing shows in about 150 seconds why they are best friends: Chris is tough with a sensitive side, Gordy sensitive and wanting to be cool, always in each other's corner unlike Vern and Teddy.
  • An NBA analogy makes Chris and Gordy the two stars with a rotating cast; Vern is compared to Dwight Howard and to not wanting to go in the bubble.
  • The train scene is iconic: the wide bridge shots, the quiet, feeling the tracks, Teddy's line, Jerry O'Connell crawling and screaming, and the jump make a flawless four minutes.
  • The pie-eating story delivers for little kids; its editing, cutting back to the campfire where the others ask 'that's it?', is praised.
  • Chris's milk-money monologue is when Phoenix became the number-one draft pick; the hosts say Reiner told the 2016 Variety oral history he asked Phoenix to think of an adult who let him down, and the next take is in the movie.
  • The scene reflects learning that people in power disappoint you; none of the four is getting out of town, each for his own reason.
  • Gordy and Chris facing Ace with the gun is good, with Kiefer 'throwing 110 miles an hour' next to the decomposing body.
  • The ending keeps building: goodbye to Chris, the story of his death, Chris vanishing, then the writer finding his last sentence, which the speaker, a former columnist, identifies with; then wrestling with his son.
  • A joke imagines the same feeling after a 200th-episode Heat podcast with Michael Mann.
  • A second participant adds Vern running up to the treehouse and being cut off while the others keep singing, which sets up the gang as real characters.
  • The Cobras' mailbox baseball and tattoo scenes show what the boys could become; not even the bad guys have fun lives in this town. That participant calls the bridge crossing the most rewatchable.
  • Mailbox baseball and smashing pumpkins are called New England traditions after one participant admits he might have done it in Worcester.
  • Another participant agrees the train scene is the most rewatchable, a flawless four or five minutes; the hosts' research says a camera trick made the distant train seem right behind the boys.

What’s Aged the Best?

Jerry O'Connell; young Kiefer; leeches; the game of chicken; the busboys quote; kids smoking; the narration; childhood urban legends; timelessness; Jack Nitzsche score

In the discussion (10)
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  • Fat Jerry O'Connell ages well, given he later married Rebecca Romijn Stamos and played Cush; his nuanced part is the sneaky best of the four on repeat viewings.
  • Young Kiefer ages well given his later career: engaged to Julia Roberts, winning the Dion Waiters Award for A Few Good Men as Kendrick, and Jack Bauer; this role is his Lost Boys villain without the vampire.
  • Leeches always work and make viewers squirm; a Little League groin injury anecdote follows.
  • The old-school game of chicken; one participant admits to drag races in high school.
  • The narrator's line that friends come in and out of your life like busboys.
  • Kids smoking: they embrace smoking's nuances, the pack rolled in the white tee, and Zippo work; smoking then is likened to video games for today's kids.
  • The story-within-a-story nesting and Richard Dreyfuss's narration as older Gordy, such as Vern's pennies; narration usually signals a flaw, but Stand By Me, Shawshank and Goodfellas do it best.
  • Childhood urban legends and mythology, with stories mutating among 12-year-olds and jinxes, which the internet has changed.
  • The movie is timeless: set in 1959 with distance, it captures the era, down to the clothes and the radio DJ.
  • The score and the classical version of the title song are added; 'Good call.'

What’s Aged the Worst?

Kids smoking; Corey Feldman's off-screen baggage; the term 'Gucher' (as transcribed)

In the discussion (4)
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  • One participant says he had the term 'Gucher' (as transcribed) in aged worst because it never took off.
  • Kids smoking goes in both categories; both of one participant's kids were shocked that all four boys smoke, and today they would be vaping.
  • Everything with Corey Feldman over the last 30 years, including self-parody and crazy accusations, is baggage when watching him.
  • No other aged-worst items are offered.

Casting What-Ifs

Adrian Lyne directing; Corey Haim as Gordie or Chris; Sean Astin, Stephen Dorff or Ethan Hawke as Gordie; David Dukes, Ted Bessell or Michael McKean as the adult narrator

In the discussion (6)
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  • The hosts say Adrian Lyne was going to direct, but Nine and a Half Weeks ran long; the jokes imagine Kim Basinger and Mickey Rourke as Ace.
  • The hosts say Reiner saw nearly every young actor, was moved by Phoenix reading for Chris, and wondered about him as Gordy or Chris.
  • The hosts say Corey Haim auditioned for Gordy, the studio wanted him as Chris, and he turned it down to make Lucas; Haim would have been okay, but Wil Wheaton remains the first choice.
  • The hosts read that Sean Astin, Stephen Dorff and Ethan Hawke were considered for Gordy; Hawke, the bookish kid in Explorers, would have been good.
  • The hosts say David Dukes, Ted Bessell and Michael McKean preceded Dreyfuss for the adult Gordy; the hosts say a Dukes scene was shot and his far-away shot remains.
  • The hosts say the film was long called The Body until Columbia refused the title; calling it The Body would have been a mistake.
In the discussion (2)
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  • Asked which guy from Ace's crew gets it, the picker zags to Bruno Kirby's dad, Bruce Kirby, 'the Quiddichello's guy' (as transcribed); he then hedges with 'either him or' a shout-out to Marshall Bell, who plays Gordy's dad and 'Quado' (as transcribed) in Total Recall, so Bell stays out of the result.
  • The reaction is 'He gets it', without a clear referent, and someone did not realize the actor was Quaid.
In the discussion (5)
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  • The category is loaded: Kiefer is eligible and Lard-Ass has five minutes, but the pick is Cusack.
  • Cusack's appearances as Denny are a cheap thrill that explains his shadow over Gordy; even Ace likes Denny, and Cusack is not too sentimental, a believable quarterback but not a super jock.
  • It is a nice Cusack run between The Sure Thing, Better Off Dead and Eight Men Out.
  • The other participant agrees it's Cusack; with two fewer scenes Kiefer would win, but he feels like the fifth star.
  • Kiefer is almost too good, crossing the line like a bully who scares his own friends.

Half-Assed Internet Research

Cast bonding period; Brownsville pie-scene filming; trestle location; long-lens train shot; Singleton homages; Dreyfuss quote; Wheaton's slowed run; $2.37

In the discussion (8)
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  • The hosts relay O'Connell's account that the boys hung out and played games for two weeks without rehearsing and that Rob was great with kids.
  • The hosts say the barf-o-rama was filmed in Brownsville, Oregon, with pies from a local bakery and filling mixed with large-curd cottage cheese.
  • The hosts place the trestle at a California lake near a memorial state park, prompting a Rewatchables pandemic road-trip joke.
  • The hosts say a 600-millimeter long lens compressed the image so the distant train looked right behind the boys.
  • The hosts relay that Singleton loved Stand By Me and put homages in Boys in the Hood (as spoken), including four boys going to see a dead body and a closing fade-out.
  • Dreyfuss is quoted saying he barely remembers the film 30 years later; the hosts call him a prick who should take the W.
  • The hosts relay Wheaton's account that he was the weird kid of the four and got picked on by Corey during the shoot, and that he was faster than Phoenix but had to run slowly to lose their sprint.
  • The boys' pooled money totals $2.37, a Stephen King number like Room 237.

The Dick Dreyfuss Award for the Person Least Grateful About Being Part of This Movie

Proposed: cast member least grateful about being in the movie

The panel proposes a new category here.

In the discussion (2)
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  • A new category is proposed: the Dick Dreyfuss Award for the person least grateful about being part of the movie.
  • A related idea is an award for a retroactive quote from someone in a movie that the hosts think is full of shit, recalling an older episode's claim of on-set magnanimity.

Apex Mountain

Wil Wheaton; teen smoking

In the discussion (7)
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  • Rob Reiner: no.
  • Wil Wheaton: yes, an iconic movie, though some would argue Star Trek: The Next Generation.
  • Corey Feldman: probably not; his peak is argued as Blown Away with Corey Haim, plus Goonies and Friday the 13th Part 4.
  • Jerry O'Connell's apex is probably marrying Rebecca Romijn.
  • River Phoenix's apex is put at Indiana Jones or 'Private Idaho'.
  • One voice would only 'probably' put Stand By Me as the apex for vandalism, such as mailbox baseball and low-grade 1950s gang activity (hedged, so not in the result); teen smoking is then offered and affirmed 'Yeah. Definitely'; burying pennies is floated without an answer.
  • The case for Reiner, as the hosts put it: after this film he starts Castle Rock Entertainment, which syndicates Seinfeld; his apex is the early 90s with A Few Good Men, and Castle Rock is the town in this movie.

Picking Nits

Casual pace on the trestle; Chris outrunning Gordie; leech placement; surviving the train and the jump; Lard-Ass's unfinished pies

In the discussion (5)
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  • On the trestle, they would go ahead of a crawling friend and should hustle rather than casually walk.
  • In the train race, Gordy seems to have the drop on Chris until Chris shows Carl Lewis speed.
  • How the leech reached Gordy's groin through jeans and underwear in two minutes is the biggest nit; the waistband is offered as an answer.
  • They would not outrun that train, and the fall would kill them, yet they get right up.
  • Lard-Ass left a lot of pie while claiming to be done, and the DJ, Bob Cormier, took the pies more seriously.

Sequel, Prequel, Limited Series, or All-Black Remake

The Cobras, a Narcos-style series about Ace

In the discussion (2)
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  • Hoping it doesn't happen, a 10-episode version could work if called The Cobras, a Narcos-style story of Ace.
  • A 35-year reunion in the Cobra Kai mold is floated despite Phoenix's death, with Vern as a handsome forklift operator; one participant doubts he would watch.

Probably Unanswerable Questions

The plan at the body; Castle Rock law enforcement; how Ace's gang found the body; Gordie's writing career

In the discussion (5)
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  • What was either group's plan once they reached the body? Gordy's alibi plan is good, but Ace showing up with a body helps no one.
  • Where is law enforcement in Castle Rock?
  • How did Ace's gang members find a body that was not near anything?
  • Is Ace allowed to roam town unchecked, like Brad Wesley in Roadhouse?
  • What is Gordy's writing career like, and how famous is he at 70 now? Jokes have him covering the Blazers for the Oregonian and joining The Athletic, or being Stephen King; a bestseller poster would have clarified his success.
In the discussion (4)
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  • The first answer is Phoenix.
  • A case is made for Rob Reiner, read from Wikipedia: after this film he co-founded Castle Rock Entertainment, probably worth billions.
  • That participant still sides with River Phoenix for a generational, timeless performance; James Dean in East of Eden now seems histrionic, while Phoenix would fit an HBO show tomorrow.
  • Phoenix was revered by his generation in a way Leo may never have been; the speaker knows of no documentary about him, and people close to him will not exploit him, so he wins the movie.
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More from the conversation

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A trailer for Stand By Me plays as the cold open.
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The film was picked because the HBO documentary Showbiz Kids, directed by Alex Winter and executive produced by one of the participants, premieres Tuesday, July 14; Wil Wheaton is one of its subjects.
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Stand By Me is called about as close to perfect as a 34-year-old movie gets and timeless because it is set in 1959; asked if it is a no-hitter, the answer is absolutely.
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No false note: the tone, writing, performances and sense of place feel universal yet specific to a Stephen King world; one participant first saw it around 16 and rewatched it over the weekend with his two kids, finding it hits the same way.
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The busboy line about friends passing through your life, and the ending noting that Vern and Teddy drifted away, are called the most realistic part of the movie.
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You never forget your first friends; one participant, now 42, is no longer friends with anyone from that age but remembers whole days with them, and mentions telling Craig, the producer, about it.
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The categories are expected to be light on nitpicks and aged-worst items, sounding like drinking the Kool-Aid for a movie that is that good.
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A rewatch left one participant on team Cobras as perfect villains; a gang leader was a badass in that era just for playing chicken and carrying a knife, while a 2020 version would be much darker.
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River Phoenix's performance and unrealized potential dominate the movie; comparable early signals came from DiCaprio in This Boy's Life and Natalie Portman in The Professional and Beautiful Girls.
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Phoenix is compared to Len Bias: a player who could have been a forward version of Michael Jordan and was gone in a minute; the hosts say Phoenix died at 23.
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Child performances split between kids great at being kids (Macaulay Culkin in Home Alone) and precocious ones; Phoenix is a fully three-dimensional human with raw humanity, as in My Own Private Idaho and Running on Empty.
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Phoenix had every quality of a 30-year leading man; watching Leo's rise through Growing Pains, Gilbert Grape, This Boy's Life and Titanic felt like what should have happened for Phoenix.
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The hosts say Phoenix was 14 or 15 during filming, had issues by My Own Private Idaho, and died of an overdose at a club, a reckoning for young actors like the Len Bias cocaine reckoning in sports; Winona Ryder and his brother are cited as affected.
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Great actors such as Daniel Day-Lewis, Leonardo DiCaprio and Joaquin Phoenix seem to be on an island, while River Phoenix seemed knowable and like a good friend.
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The milk-money monologue is about as good as anyone under 18 will do; Phoenix and Leo are called the only two under-18 actors in 35 years to get the 'car wash package', a phrase one participant says he used in his basketball book, likened to early LeBron coverage.
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Phoenix's range ran from My Own Private Idaho to young Indiana Jones in Last Crusade: worst case a Harrison Ford career, best case De Niro or Pacino; the hosts note that role was later sort of offered up to Shia LaBeouf.
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Portman in Beautiful Girls and early Sean Penn signaled future greatness; few young actors in the last 20 years compare, with Saoirse Ronan and Timothee Chalamet named in a text exchange with Sean, though Chalamet could not pass as Indiana Jones's son.
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Shia LaBeouf tried the Phoenix/Leo arc without the same talent; Leo did much of what Phoenix was expected to do; his brother still carries the loss, won't talk about it, and long lived in his shadow.
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Off-screen history darkens an effervescent movie: Chris is already dead from the first scene, and the dead older brother played by John Cusack adds resonance.
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Showbiz Kids context: the film shows the paths of child stardom: Wil Wheaton pigeonholed as Gordy (as Henry Thomas was with E.T.), Phoenix derailed, Corey Feldman's chaotic childhood and fast life with Corey Haim, Jerry O'Connell growing into Jerry Maguire's quarterback, plus Kiefer Sutherland's celebrity-kid path.
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The actors have said their characters were who they were: Wheaton bookish and shy, O'Connell a class clown, Corey intense and River that cool.
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Adapted from Stephen King's novella The Body; the hosts say it was the first adaptation King liked, and that Reiner recalled King stepping out for 15 minutes after a private screening and calling it the best film made from his work.
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The hosts say Reiner reframed the story around Gordy, playing up the dead brother, the overlooked second child and future writer; in the book Chris Chambers holds the gun, in the movie Gordy does.
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The two best King films are argued to be the least horror-like; King finds terrible beauty and traps in idyllic Oregon, which Reiner extracts without going over the top.
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A complaint that King disparages adaptations of his books, including liked ones such as Christine, Maximum Overdrive and The Dead Zone; Shawshank, Stand By Me and Misery are put in a different category.
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Very rewatchable: joining at the train tracks and staying through the pie-eating contest; the momentum is nonstop until the campfire, a road-trip movie on foot.
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The hosts say Reiner felt Gordy became Stephen King and identified with Gordy because he lived in the shadow of his father, Carl Reiner.
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Reiner's run from Meathead to Spinal Tap, this film and A Few Good Men is called an awesome ten years before a decline; a counterpoint says the mid-budget human dramas he excels at rarely get made now.
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The hosts' account of the financing: Embassy was sold to Columbia just before the summer 1985 shoot and Columbia wanted out, so Norman Lear, an Embassy co-owner, put in $7.5 million of his own money; one participant asked Kimmel how rich Lear is.
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The hosts say distributors passed until a Columbia executive (ASR 'Gil McElwain') screened it at home, where his two daughters fell for River Phoenix; the hosts cite an $8 million budget and a $52 million gross, and a Stand By Me festival in Oregon.
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A top movie to show kids: one participant's son, the same age as the four boys, laughed at the one-liners; the film never stops to explain the boys' card-game slang.
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Having actors hang out for two weeks before shooting seems to work for movies but is the opposite for bands making albums.
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The hosts say the film was nominated for Best Adapted Screenplay; some contemporary reviews complained Reiner's style winks at the audience, possibly reflecting a 'Meathead' bias.
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Showbiz Kids plug: premieres on HBO Tuesday, July 14 at 9 p.m., directed by Alex Winter, on demand July 15, with Wil Wheaton material, the late Cameron Boyce and music by Jeff Tweedy.
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Sign-off: Chris Ryan is thanked, Showbiz Kids is plugged again, and E.T. was considered before choosing Stand By Me for the Wil Wheaton connection and to talk about River Phoenix; the Stand By Me song plays out.
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