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Thief

1981 film

Bill Simmons · Sean Fennessey · Chris Ryan

Aired April 1, 2021

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Apex Mountain

Chicago diners; Robert Prosky death scenes; Joliet Prison

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Approx. transcript time · 01:09:09Read transcript
  • James Caan, Tuesday Weld (though really good) and Michael Mann are all no.
  • Prosky is not at Apex despite a hell of a debut; he became Prosky in the early 90s with Hoffa and Mrs. Doubtfire.
  • Chicago diners are a yes.
  • Illegal adoption is floated as an Apex ("cut out the middleman") without an explicit yes, prompting a Thief 2 joke about Frank's grown son.
  • Willie Nelson is no.
  • Robert Prosky death scenes are a yes, one of the first times someone makes noise after being shot in the head.
  • Joliet Prison never got better than the Blues Brothers-Thief stretch; its Apex Mountain is somewhere in there.
  • For Chicago movies, candidates include The Blues Brothers, The Fugitive, Ferris Bueller, Home Alone (ruled suburban) and Hoop Dreams; the answer is Ferris Bueller.
  • Running Scared is raised; as its self-described number one fan he finds it tough, but Ferris Bueller uses Chicago the best. — Bill Simmons
  • Also named: The Untouchables, Widows, Candyman and Public Enemies; there haven't been enough good Chicago movies.
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Half-Assed Internet Research

Real crooks and Gunsite training; Howard Johnson's booth; real burglary tools; water truck for wet streets; Green Mill's Capone booth; unused source book; Belushi's squibs; Tuesday Weld's Wikipedia

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  • The actors hung out with real crooks, and Mann took Caan to the Gunsite firearms academy in Arizona, which is why his house raid looks realistic.
  • Per Alan Siegel's research, Mann took his future wife to that Howard Johnson's in 1971 and they talked all night in the booth used for the scene; they are still married 50 years later.
  • The burglary tools were real, and the actors were trained to use them.
  • A 60,000-gallon water truck kept the streets wet, a Mann staple he may have invented, though Scorsese did some of it in Taxi Driver.
  • Mann tells an anecdote about driving around looking at bridges and water before he was a filmmaker; the urban landscape colliding with nature, rain and neon are his signatures, as in Collateral.
  • The Green Mill jazz club in Uptown was an Al Capone hangout, and the scene was shot in Capone's booth, where he could see the whole club.
  • The film is based on a book that was optioned, but Mann did not really use it.
  • Belushi begged to do his own death scene and absorbed dozens of squib shots.
  • Tuesday Weld's Wikipedia page is recommended: between marriages she dated Al Pacino, David Steinberg, Mikhail Baryshnikov, Omar Sharif, Richard Gere and Ryan O'Neal, and Baryshnikov's previous girlfriend Jessica Lange was her best friend.
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  • Willie is offered; Prosky is in it too much to be eligible and Farina doesn't do enough.
  • Santucci as Urizzi is loved; Belushi was considered but doesn't dial it up enough.
  • Final: John Santucci, with agreement; he was a real-life consultant and it's nice that he has the store.
  • Tuesday Weld is in it too much to be eligible.
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What’s Aged the Best?

Dialogue; Tangerine Dream; Frank's collage; "I want a boy" exchange; film debuts; 1980 Caan and John Belushi in Chicago; Belushi's sideburns; Tuesday Weld; Mann's nihilistic ending

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  • The dialogue: Mamet-influenced; per a Belushi video interview, Mann insisted the characters never speak in contractions because they are so precise; it never dumbs down the Chicago underworld lingo for criminals or cops, including the beating speech. — Chris Ryan
  • Tangerine Dream, fresh off Sorcerer and before Risky Business; with Vangelis and Faltermeyer they were the cool music of the early 80s.
  • Frank's collage of children, a car and a house he doesn't have, his jailed mentor Willie Nelson and 12 skulls; jokes about a personal collage of Sean that is now an NFT, and Mann inventing Pinterest.
  • Caan saying "I want a boy" and Prosky answering "Done"; the second meeting in the bar is a favorite conversation ("Wham-Bam Magic Sam").
  • The film debuts of Jim Belushi, William Petersen, Dennis Farina, John Kapelos and Prosky; Farina was a Chicago policeman during filming, and Belushi was inspired casting.
  • A participant saw it in a Boston theater in 1981 at 11 or 12 with his dad and was puzzled by Jim Belushi, who looked like John Belushi, then still alive.
  • John Belushi visited the set, and the cast and crew hung out free all night at his Blues Brothers bar in Chicago; 1980 Caan and Belushi together must have produced stories.
  • Belushi's sideburns were fantastic.
  • Tuesday Weld: Wesley approved the take that Jessica Lange market-corrected her; she is terrific and perfect here, an Oscar nominee famous from Dobie Gillis who hasn't acted in 20 years, and, with a weak Best Supporting Actress category that year, could probably have nailed that down.
  • These films shortchange wife and girlfriend roles, but this one gives her a big scene to come off the bench and score 22.
  • Mann on the final decision, from the Ringer piece: having something makes Frank vulnerable, so the nihilistic act of destroying it returns his power.
  • A joke about deleting the feed after the last Mann movie, with Heat as the 500th episode alongside Tom Sizemore.
Thief The Rewatchables
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  • First pick: Caan going to the plating company to demand his $185,000 within three hours; it is the first time Farina is seen, and the eight horrified 1981 office workers are a highlight.
  • A joke that Chris used to enter the office the same way, moving the chair to see what was on the desk.
  • Willie Nelson's big prison scene is complicated but fascinating, an intense staring contest with the faces a foot apart; Mann seems to have few friends but insanely intense connections with the ones he has.
  • The Nelson scene is not obviously working at first but pays off with "I don't want to die in here, Frank"; his line readings are sometimes odd, but his open, empathetic face makes it work.
  • Willie Nelson on Frank's postcard collage is briefly puzzling on a rewatch until you remember he is Frank's best friend.
  • Praski's (Prosky's) first scene: his first movie at 51, dressed like a grandfather in a golf shirt tucked into pressed slacks.
  • Mann auditioned dozens of New York actors for Leo; Bruckheimer advised that the right person had not walked in the room yet, and Prosky, a theater actor, was found, leading to a That Guy career.
  • Peak Prosky is this role: an avuncular, warm, familial sensibility with pure evil right under the surface. — Sean Fennessey
  • The Natural is raised as close but too evil; later roles such as Last Action Hero and Mrs. Doubtfire made him the favorite uncle.
  • Prosky originated Shelley Levene in Glengarry Glen Ross.
  • Caan lays out what he won't steal: just diamonds and cash, no coin collections.
  • The diner monologue is the reason for the episode after it was caught while flipping channels and texted to Chris; it is called the best moment of Caan's career, better than any Godfather moment, laying out the character's spine in four minutes.
  • It is called a favorite first date in movie history: Caan is two hours late, they scream at each other on the drive, and he tells a woman he just met about his prison fight with Morphus.
  • Caan called it the scene he was most proud of; it was filmed at a Howard Johnson's in Illinois that Mann had a connection to, and the wide shot is Heat DNA, though Heat never shows the two men together.
  • An amazing piece of filmmaking; the underrated part is the car speech before the diner, two people who have looked at each other for eight months cutting out the games. — Sean Fennessey
  • Caan cracking the love affair like a safe ("cut the mini moves and the bullshit and get on with this big romance") while being impatient with the woman he plans to marry is hilarious.
  • One-last-job movies raise the question of why not ask her out after the job; the woman complicating the last job is a Mann recurring thing.
  • Mann's top restaurants are ranked: diner, Chinese restaurant, Musso and Frank-style steakhouse, a close-booth place like Dan Tana's, and hibachi for the glimmering blades.
  • The Chinese-restaurant waiter gives a borderline Dion Waiters performance and is nicknamed David.
  • The elevator-shaft scene is weirdly harrowing and shows Mann's precision; it is liked more than the safe crack, though the opening keyhole-camera drilling sequence is great.
  • A first-time viewer at home was riveted by the talking but hid behind an iPad during the drilling; Fincher's Panic Room is imagined as a response to Thief.
  • Prosky lays down the law in an incredible monologue ("I run you", whacking out the whole family, wimpy burgers), shot upside down from Frank's POV, ending with Belushi dropped in acid.
  • Belushi's death scene could have used another minute of setup.
  • The ending is fun to watch but has issues: it hinges on Attaglia getting a glass of milk, Mann's written ending reunited Frank with Jessie, and seeing the girlfriend again would have been more satisfying.
  • Burning the postcard reads as Frank giving up the idea that he could be happy or emotionally available.
  • Biggest nit here: he should have gone back in the house and stolen things, though sparing Leo's wife is a purposeful choice by a man with a samurai code.
  • Mann repeatedly sends the wife packing, as in a two-part season-one Miami Vice episode and Heat's walk-away with Amy Brenneman in the car, which is called weird given the question of whether Mann himself hasn't been married to the same woman for about 50 years.
  • Final answer: the diner scene with Tuesday Weld, met with "Me too."
  • One more honorable mention is deferred to What's Aged the Best.
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