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Release the Walter Hill cut

Chris Ryan: Cherry’s villain rating starts at5.5–6; a defense of uncomplicated psychopathic villains prompts a suggested8 and continues.

Chris Ryan: Cherry’s villain ranking remains split between5.5–6 and an enthusiastic suggested8; his uncomplicated violence is defended.

The film

Another 48 Hrs. (1990)

Directed by Walter Hill · Comedy

95 minutes

Cast

Selected cast credits · Film reference

Eddie Murphy Reggie Hammond
Nick Nolte Jack Cates
Brion James Ben Kehoe
Kevin Tighe Blake Wilson
Ed O'Ross Frank Cruise
David Anthony Marshall Willie Hickok
Andrew Divoff [Richard] Cherry Ganz
Bernie Casey Kirkland Smith
Brent Jennings Tyrone Burroughs
Ted Markland Malcolm Price
Tisha Campbell Amy Kirkland
Edward Walsh Detective Joe Stevens
Page Leong Angel Lee
Cathy Haase Girl bartender
Dennis Hayden Barroom tough
Kelly Goodman Diner waitress
Hoke Howell Desert bartender
Yana Nirvana CHP officer
Ken Medlock CHP officer
John Del Regno Mechanic
Joel Weiss Pit man
Oz Tortora Lawyer
John Bluto Review board chairman
Jason Ronard Prison guard Ronard
Stafford Morgan Prison guard Morgan
Bill Dunnam Prison guard Dunnam
Thornton Simmons Prison clerk
Allan Graf Bus driver
Nancy Everhard Female doctor
Mark Phelan Doctor
Biff Yeager County sheriff
John H. Evans County sheriff
Rick Cicetti Traffic cop
Laurie Morrison Pickpocket
Steve Monroe Pickpocket victim
Dave Efron Barroom fighter
Rex Pierson Barroom fighter
Judy Lea Second bartender
Karen Huie King Mei clerk
Benjamin Lum King Mei clerk
George Cheung Hotel guest
Dana Lee Arguing man
Richard Lee-Sung Arguing man
Kitten Natividad Girl in movie
Jerome Holmes Morgue attendant
Victor E. Brandt District attorney
Edgar Small Judge
Russ McCubbin Doorman
Linda Cox Female elevator operator
Deirdre Fitzpatrick Birdcage waitress
Lauren Grey Birdcage waitress
Nicole Cummins Birdcage waitress
Alisa Christensen Birdcage showgirl

Everything from the episode

In the order the hosts got to it. Open a row for the discussion.

30:43

Half-Assed Internet Research

Pay and story credit; late cuts; Willie Biggs name; unused female-cop subplot

Pay and story credit; late cuts; Willie Biggs name; unused female-cop subplot

In the discussion (4)
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  • Murphy’s much larger sequel fee, pseudonymous story credit and recruitment of Nolte are reported.
  • Reported late editing reduced a longer cut to95 minutes, removed the deadline and greatly reduced supporting arcs. — Bill Simmons
  • Willie Biggs is reported as Reggie’s discarded original name, reused for a friend in the sequel. — Bill Simmons
  • A screenplay book reportedly includes a female-cop relationship and an offer to plant a gun. — Bill Simmons
34:53

Picking Nits

Iceman continuity; survivable gunshot; unpunished assault; clerk during gunfight; ammunition; elapsed time; immediate...

Iceman continuity; survivable gunshot; unpunished assault; clerk during gunfight; ammunition; elapsed time; immediate proceeding; changed racism; Cherry nickname

In the discussion (10)
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  • The Iceman reveal is disputed as a twist and criticized for contradicting his help in the original; the suggestion he became Iceman later is countered.
  • The missing footage might explain the plot but might also make the movie slower. — Van Lathan
  • Reggie’s limited injury after a close-range shot is implausible, and the repeated vest references seem to promise a payoff that never arrives. — Chris Ryan
  • Reggie shoots a man in the knee immediately after release without apparent consequences. — Bill Simmons
  • The hotel clerk runs into an active gunfight to complain about noise. — Van Lathan
  • Gunfire ignores realistic ammunition limits; modern action’s visible reloading is the contrast.
  • The morgue identification appears to skip hours without a transition; a removed house scene is recalled. — Bill Simmons
  • The misconduct proceeding happens implausibly quickly. — Van Lathan
  • Jack’s reduced racism is debated in relation to sobriety and the original apology; abandoning Reggie complicates his improvement. — Bill Simmons
  • Cherry is mocked as an unlikely villain nickname, before Richard is supplied as his actual name.
43:43

The Craig Century Club

95 minutes; up to five more acceptable

95 minutes; up to five more acceptable

In the discussion (1)
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  • Craig calls95 minutes the perfect length and would accept five more. — Chris Ryan
44:07

Roger Ebert's review

In the discussion (2)
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  • Two stars; the review criticizes narrative confusion while recognizing Murphy’s genuine talent. — Bill Simmons
  • Boomerang is defended as a good subsequent Murphy film. — Chris Ryan
44:45

Watch Party: Best Viewing Scenario

Five-o’clock screening

Five-o’clock screening

In the discussion (1)
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  • The ideal viewing scenario is a five-o’clock screening, jokingly followed by a continuity argument.
45:24

Most Rewatchable Scene

Murphy’s comic stretch; the payphone

Murphy’s comic stretch; the payphone

In the discussion (11)
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  • The opening is admired despite questions about the remote bar’s location, clientele and doomed bartender.
  • The simultaneous attacks on Jack and the prison bus are praised; comparisons distinguish deliberate attacks from transport crashes. — Bill Simmons
  • The hospital and exploding-car stretch, loan calls and teasing of a traffic cop let Murphy sustain a run of jokes.
  • The Iceman insults, pickpocket recognition and bar shooting are enjoyed, though the band is disliked. — Bill Simmons
  • The hotel shootout feels unusually desperate; the window fall is admired and dumpster landings are questioned.
  • The fire stunt and motorcycles landing in theater aisles are admired as practical action. — Van Lathan
  • The prison threat and glass punch are especially frightening. — Bill Simmons
  • The final club shootout is enjoyed despite the Iceman reveal and the confusing unused vest setup. — Chris Ryan
  • The motocross fire stunt receives a special mention, but Murphy’s comic stretch is the preferred scene. — Chris Ryan
  • The payphone scene is the personal favorite. — Van Lathan
  • The ear-shooting scene is an additional favorite for its unsettling photography, laughter and menace. — Van Lathan
56:12

The Teddy KGB Award for the Actor in a Completely Different Movie

Bernie Casey

Bernie Casey

In the discussion (2)
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1:00:51

The most 1990 thing

Miller Genuine Draft; Uzi; Murphy’s career stage; convertibles; stripper-cage elevator

Miller Genuine Draft; Uzi; Murphy’s career stage; convertibles; stripper-cage elevator

In the discussion (2)
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  • Most1990 choices: brewskis/Miller Genuine Draft, an Uzi and Murphy’s career stage; claims he looks heavier are countered by criticism of the suit.
  • Convertibles and the stripper-cage elevator are period details; personal sun-exposure stories are a digression.
1:04:18

What’s Aged the Best?

Precinct insults; rural–city tension; Internal Affairs; bikers; dead villain’s brother; crime dialogue

Precinct insults; rural–city tension; Internal Affairs; bikers; dead villain’s brother; crime dialogue

In the discussion (2)
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  • Aged best: insulting precinct banter; the missing McRae captain leads to a hypothetical Ringer captain riff.
  • Aged best: rural-versus-city insults, apparently villainous Internal Affairs, biker gangs, revenge by a dead villain’s brother and familiar crime-movie dialogue.
1:07:01

The Den of Thieves Benihana Award for Scene-Stealing Location

Bird Cage / North Beach; desert bar; King Mai Hotel

Bird Cage / North Beach; desert bar; King Mai Hotel

In the discussion (1)
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  • Location choices: Bird Cage/North Beach club, opening desert bar and King Mai Hotel; needle-drop cue is spoken but no distinct song answer is supplied here. — Bill Simmons
1:07:24

The Great Shot Gordo Award for Most Cinematic Shot

Cadillac cresting the hill; low-angle prison release; slow-motion finale

Cadillac cresting the hill; low-angle prison release; slow-motion finale

In the discussion (3)
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  • The car cresting a San Francisco hill, with spotlights below, is a favorite shot. — Chris Ryan
  • The low angle at the prison release makes the conversation appear to remain inside prison. — Van Lathan
  • The slow-motion final shooting captures Kehoe realizing Jack’s plan. — Bill Simmons
1:08:23

Dorfler’s Door Award for How Much Did That Hurt?

The close-range basketball hit

The close-range basketball hit

In the discussion (1)
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  • The newly introduced Dorfler’s Door pain award goes to the close-range basketball hit; Nolte’s injuries are contrasted with the first film. — Bill Simmons
1:10:03

Sean Fennessey Award for Stealth Homage That Gives Every Movie Nerd a Criterion Orgasm

Once Upon a Time in the West

Once Upon a Time in the West

Flex pick · Chris Ryan

In the discussion (1)
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  • The bikers arriving at the opening bar echo Once Upon a Time in the West. — Chris Ryan
1:10:03

Most Memorable Death by a Security Guard or Other Bystander

The female cop; hotel bystander alternative

The female cop; hotel bystander alternative

Flex pick · Chris Ryan

In the discussion (2)
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  • The female cop shot through the car window is the selected inconsequential death. — Chris Ryan
  • The hotel guest who steps outside and is shot is another candidate; the award’s namesake pronunciation remains uncertain. — Van Lathan
1:11:19

Hans Gruber Scale Villain Ranking

Cherry: 5.5–6 versus 8

Cherry: 5.5–6 versus 8

In the discussion (2)
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  • Cherry starts at five-and-a-half or six, with his one-note quality questioned. — Bill Simmons
  • His unqualified psychopathy and revenge motive are strongly defended, prompting a proposed rating of eight. — Chris Ryan
1:11:19

The Stephen A. Smith Hottest Take Award

Release the Walter Hill cut; uncomplicated psychopathic villains

Release the Walter Hill cut; uncomplicated psychopathic villains

In the discussion (4)
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  • Cherry’s villain rating starts at5.5–6; a defense of uncomplicated psychopathic villains prompts a suggested8 and continues. — Chris Ryan
  • Cherry’s villain ranking remains split between5.5–6 and an enthusiastic suggested8; his uncomplicated violence is defended. — Chris Ryan
  • Hottest take: release the Walter Hill cut, with Eyes Wide Shut second. Snyder-cut satisfaction and Bill’s supposed renewed influence are separate banter.
  • Director-cut digression:54 disappoints, Kingdom of Heaven transforms the film, and Proof of Life’s missing romance is discussed with uncertain production recollections. — Bill Simmons
1:12:14

Is There a Better Title for This Movie?

Cherry’s Revenge; 48 Hrs. 2; 48 More Hours; Jack and Reggie; Reggie Gets Out

Cherry’s Revenge; 48 Hrs. 2; 48 More Hours; Jack and Reggie; Reggie Gets Out

In the discussion (2)
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  • Alternatives are Cherry’s Revenge, 48 Hours Two and 48 More Hours. — Bill Simmons
  • Removing the deadline suggests Jack and Reggie or Reggie Gets Out.
1:12:42

The Butch’s Girlfriend Award for the Weakest Link in the Film

Incoherent plot; Jack’s judgment; Casey–Campbell subplot; rejected money

Incoherent plot; Jack’s judgment; Casey–Campbell subplot; rejected money

In the discussion (5)
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  • The incoherent plot and Jack’s failure to suspect another cop are the principal weak links. — Bill Simmons
  • The villains could simply kill Jack rather than eliminate everyone around him. — Bill Simmons
  • The Casey–Campbell subplot feels attached at the end; the objection concerns arbitrary endangerment, not Campbell’s talent. — Van Lathan
  • Campbell’s consistent presence in major Black film and television work is strongly defended. — Van Lathan
  • Cherry makes the connection too easily, and Angel rejecting the money is considered implausible. — Van Lathan
1:15:23

What’s Aged the Worst?

Reunion basketball scene; long sequel gap; repeated Roxanne

Reunion basketball scene; long sequel gap; repeated Roxanne

In the discussion (3)
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  • The prison basketball reunion should have been a great scene but disappoints. — Bill Simmons
  • The long sequel gap and repeated Roxanne performance are criticized. — Bill Simmons
  • Making the film accessible without the original is offered as an explanation, but the repetition is still judged lazy.
1:16:22

The Ruffalo / Hanna / Rubinek / Partridge Overacting Award

Chinatown hotel clerk; Cherry

Chinatown hotel clerk; Cherry

In the discussion (1)
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  • Overacting choices: Chinatown hotel clerk and Cherry discovering Jack survived. — Bill Simmons
1:16:41

Top Five List

1. Riggs/Murtaugh; 2. Sidney/Billy; 3. Vincent/Jules; 4. Reggie/Jack; 5. Running Scared duo

Flex pick · Van Lathan

In the discussion (5)
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  • The top five begins with Running Scared fifth and Reggie/Jack fourth; the latter placement is disputed. — Van Lathan
  • Vincent/Jules rank third and Sidney/Billy second, with the action-comedy boundaries explicitly stretched. — Van Lathan
  • Riggs/Murtaugh rank first; 48 Hours is defended as the influential prototype, and the ranking remains disputed. — Van Lathan
  • Honorable mentions are Django, Men in Black, The Last Boy Scout and Money Talks; Men in Black could replace Running Scared. — Van Lathan
  • Wilder/Pryor are qualified, while Crockett/Tubbs raises the distinction between movie and television duos.
1:24:58

Casting What-Ifs

Cut Frank McRae footage; no alternate casting

Cut Frank McRae footage; no alternate casting

In the discussion (1)
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1:25:11

The Joey Pants “That Guy” Award

Brent Jennings

Brent Jennings

In the discussion (2)
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  • Brent Jennings is chosen; Brion James is considered beyond the category, and the actor playing the other police associate is also considered. — Bill Simmons
  • A street interview with Jennings about a youth-football scoring restriction is recalled as an early career success. — Van Lathan
1:26:05

The Dion Waiters Award for Best Heat Check Performance

Bernie Casey

Bernie Casey

In the discussion (3)
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  • Bernie Casey is the initial choice. — Van Lathan
  • The bartender is offered as an alternative for the nervous exchange. — Chris Ryan
  • A second Casey endorsement praises his commanding, almost Shakespearean delivery.
1:26:39

Recasting Couch

Walter Hill and San Francisco retained

Walter Hill and San Francisco retained

In the discussion (1)
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1:26:51

The Neil McCauley “A Book about Metals” Award for Best Line from the Movie

“If shit was worth something, poor people would be born with no assholes”

“If shit was worth something, poor people would be born with no assholes”

Flex pick · Craig Horlbeck

In the discussion (2)
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  • The poverty-and-excrement line is the selected quote. — Craig Horlbeck
  • The old-football-bet explanation and request to talk black people stuff are additional favorite lines. — Chris Ryan
1:28:17

Apex Mountain

Brion James qualified; handgun window flights

Brion James qualified; handgun window flights

In the discussion (5)
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  • Murphy is not at his peak; Nolte is approaching a later run. — Bill Simmons
  • Brion James receives a tentative yes; a Shocker recollection follows without establishing that credit.
  • Predator2 challenges this film for the most frustrating but lovable action sequel.
  • Hill’s peak is placed at The Warriors or the original48 Hours. — Bill Simmons
  • People flying through windows after handgun shots receive an affirmative. — Chris Ryan
1:29:59

Cruise or Hanks?

Hanks

Hanks

In the discussion (2)
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  • Neither actor initially fits; the rules require the Nolte lead rather than the Iceman role.
  • Hanks is the final forced choice. — Bill Simmons
1:31:05

Scorsese or Spielberg?

Scorsese

Scorsese

In the discussion (1)
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1:31:09

Best Hang / Worst Hang

Best: Angel; worst: Cherry

Best: Angel; worst: Cherry

In the discussion (3)
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  • Cherry is worst; the Jennings character is initially suggested as decent company. — Bill Simmons
  • Angel becomes best hang despite the risk of encountering Cherry, whose intensity makes him worst.
  • Cherry’s oversized teardrop tattoo prompts further mockery. — Chris Ryan
1:36:19

Sequel, Prequel, Limited Series, or All-Black Remake

A third film with Jack imprisoned and Reggie helping

A third film with Jack imprisoned and Reggie helping

In the discussion (4)
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  • A third film is proposed. — Chris Ryan
  • A third48 Hours is preferred to Beverly Hills Cop3, reversing the setup so Jack needs Reggie’s help. — Bill Simmons
  • The alternate sequel gives Reggie a bar to mortgage while freeing a framed Jack; the others approve the premise. — Bill Simmons
  • The biker gang would remain part of the revised story.
1:37:07

Is This Movie Better With…?

Tom Brady analyzing Angel

Tom Brady analyzing Angel

In the discussion (2)
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  • Tom Brady analyzing Angel is the proposed addition. — Chris Ryan
  • The impression evaluates her stamina using football-broadcast language. — Chris Ryan
1:38:00

Just One Oscar

Stunt work

Stunt work

In the discussion (2)
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  • Stunt work is the shared choice. — Bill Simmons
  • A1990 stunt award is recalled, and motorcycle driving receives special praise. — Bill Simmons
1:38:19

Probably Unanswerable Questions

Angel’s reputation; porn-theater titles

Angel’s reputation; porn-theater titles

In the discussion (3)
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  • How Angel earned and spread an exceptional professional reputation is questioned. — Bill Simmons
  • The discussion distinguishes types of adult-entertainment work rather than settling a single measure. — Van Lathan
  • The porn-theater titles are compared jokingly according to the viewer’s interest in plot. — Van Lathan
1:41:05

What Piece of Memorabilia Would You Want From This Movie?

Motorcycle; Reggie’s car; novelty pen; Walkman; lighter; James Brown cassette

Motorcycle; Reggie’s car; novelty pen; Walkman; lighter; James Brown cassette

In the discussion (3)
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  • The motorcycle and Reggie’s car are wanted, with the car acknowledged as against the rule. — Bill Simmons
  • The novelty pen is another choice. — Chris Ryan
  • The Walkman, lighter and James Brown cassette are added. — Chris Ryan
1:41:31

The Coach Finstock Award for Best Life Lesson

“If shit was worth something, poor people would be born with no assholes”

“If shit was worth something, poor people would be born with no assholes”

In the discussion (1)
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  • The poverty-and-excrement quote is repeated as the life lesson. — Bill Simmons
1:41:31

Best Double Feature

48 Hrs.; Tango & Cash
In the discussion (2)
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  • The original48 Hours is the first pairing. — Bill Simmons
  • Tango & Cash is another choice, described as spiritually closer. — Bill Simmons
1:41:46

Who Won the Movie?

Eddie Murphy

Eddie Murphy

In the discussion (2)
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Podcast choices
Speaker not identified
Eddie Murphy
Speaker not identified
Eddie Murphy
1:41:48

Producer review

Funnier and more enjoyable than the original

Funnier and more enjoyable than the original

In the discussion (2)
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  • The sequel is preferred to the original, whose slower pace, racism and limited humor were disappointing. — Craig Horlbeck
  • The sequel is considered funnier and more enjoyable because the compact mismatched-partner format works. — Craig Horlbeck

More from the conversation

Opening ads followed by introductions for Van Lathan and Chris Ryan and their shows; television banter.
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The next episode is announced as the Netflix debut and a Zodiac revisit; this episode is the last YouTube release, not itself a Netflix premiere.
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One for us week introduces a frequently rewatched but frustrating karaoke sequel; Roxanne is corrected from Roseanne.
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Seeing the sequel first changes its reception; Murphy’s star power and a lost longer cut frame the discussion.
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Murphy’s decline is contrasted with Nolte’s prestige run; later failures and other actors’ career transitions are discussed, and Murphy’s seventh Rewatchables is counted.
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Contemporary Spin and Rolling Stone interviews prompt discussion of Murphy’s fame, burdens, racial expectations, anger and retreat into safer films; these are host interpretations of reported interviews.
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The hosts contrast Murphy’s ambitions and later sequels with his unpredictable early comedy, quoting his reflections on Tyson and pressure; sustainability is debated.
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Robin Williams and Pryor comparisons explore Murphy’s simultaneous television, stand-up and film success and the opportunities he did not take.
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Later Murphy films and hypothetical dramatic roles are discussed; Truman Show, Cast Away and Philadelphia are imagined, not casting facts.
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Craig’s generational perspective begins with Dolittle; the hosts praise Murphy’s storytelling and compare his range with Smith and Tucker.
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Direction, photography, score, dangerous villains and the opening are praised despite the plot.
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Hill’s later films are defended despite box-office failures; the hosts recall meeting him and praise his filmography.
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A future Warriors revisit is proposed; its first podcast, compact world-building and remake resistance are discussed, not current-episode tags.
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Kevin Tighe’s prior roles lead to a listener’s reported director clarification that Road House’s skinny-dipping shot was always intended as the ending.
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Andrew Divoff’s other villain roles are recalled, including Toy Soldiers and A Low Down Dirty Shame.
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Shot Caller is praised and its lead casting disputed; The Rip is enjoyed but criticized for a simple twist and expectations raised by its stars.
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An invented vampire prison-bus movie becomes a basketball-team riff; this is a hypothetical pitch, not film research.
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Advertising break after an announced Chris flex.
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A fantasy-football argument digresses from the casting rules.
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A modern buddy-comedy casting digression proposes Kam Patterson, Gillis, Chalamet, Michael B. Jordan, Plemons and Downey in different pairings; these are hypothetical.
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Miami Vice casting remains unconfirmed in the discussion; Butler’s fit is disputed and Craig jokes about his commercial acting.
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The hosts defend mismatched-partner comedy and cite The Heat and The Other Guys.
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Closing praise, a recording-time football prediction and thanks conclude; Zodiac is next and first-name production thanks remain ambiguous.
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