Podcast Host, The Ringer
Van Lathan
Van Lathan is billed as a participant in the official Rewatchables episode feed. Further biography has not been verified for this prototype.
Also referred to as Ben Lanthan, Bane Latham, Van
Stats
- Episodes credited in this archive
- 79
- Movies in this archive
- 78
- Attributed podcast choices
- 13
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Appearing on these Rewatchables episodes
The Martian
2015 film
Bill Simmons · Sean Fennessey · Chris Ryan · Van Lathan
Aired October 13, 2020
Mentioned in discussions
The Den of Thieves Benihana Award for Scene-Stealing Location
Van Ryan house; Tropic Motel
In the discussion (1)
- Scene-stealing locations are the Van Ryan house and Tropic Motel, with the home’s balcony, dock and guesthouse praised. — Bill Simmons
The Great Shot Gordo Award for Most Cinematic Shot
Dillon’s yeah; wet Kelly in the foyer; pool emergence
In the discussion (2)
The Slow Ride / Kid Cudi – Pursuit of Happiness Award for Best Needle Drop
Third Eye Blind into Why Can’t We Be Friends; I Want What I Want
In the discussion (2)
- Sailing, the Jeep ride and Van Ryan arrival are scene candidates. Third Eye Blind into Why Can’t We Be Friends is a needle-drop choice; the later shift to jazz may be thematic. — Bill Simmons
- The car wash and I Want What I Want cue are praised for deliberate excess, prompting a playful celebrity-attraction hall-of-fame digression.
Most Rewatchable Scene
The motel threesome
In the discussion (9)
- Sailing, the Jeep ride and Van Ryan arrival are scene candidates. Third Eye Blind into Why Can’t We Be Friends is a needle-drop choice; the later shift to jazz may be thematic. — Bill Simmons
- Sandra’s sexual dialogue and Teresa Russell’s exaggerated delivery are discussed as poor acting that suits the movie, with Black Widow and Whore career references.
- The car wash and I Want What I Want cue are praised for deliberate excess, prompting a playful celebrity-attraction hall-of-fame digression.
- Kelly telling Sandra and the police-station reaction are rewatchable for bad acting; Sandra’s self-centered response and dead-father line reveal character. A different-movie award is considered then rejected because the excess fits. — Bill Simmons
- Susie’s police account and Murray’s second-day courtroom scene are candidates, with the sleazy brilliant-lawyer type admired.
- Reported contractual and filming details of the motel scene are discussed alongside its unusual explicitness for the era; claims about alcohol need exact-source qualification. — Bill Simmons
- The motel threesome is praised for revealing the conspiracy while serving the plot rather than merely adding sex, and is declared the leading scene.
- The pool scene and Bacon’s filming reaction are runners-up; the shower reveal creates an expectation of a Dillon/Bacon relationship.
- The ending and explanatory credits are candidates, but the motel threesome wins, with the pool scene second and the extended cut recommended.
Watch Party: Best Viewing Scenario
Solo viewing; teenage sleepover
In the discussion (2)
- The film is described as a sweaty, campy erotic thriller for the MTV generation. Mallory recalls adolescent sleepover viewing focused on its famous scenes; Van recalls wanting more sex and less courtroom material.
- Watch-setting choices are solo viewing or a teenage sleepover; Van recalls his father reacting to the movie, prompting a proposed goddamn category. — Van Lathan
The Stephen A. Smith Hottest Take Award
Horror interpretation; Mr. Jordan inventing take culture; Julie Christie as the most attractive British woman
In the discussion (5)
- Van calls the film horror: repeated deaths, mistaken removal and loss of memory could be torture by a devil rather than benevolent heaven. Another voice argues the lovers’ souls remain connected; Van doubts it. — Van Lathan
- A new spontaneous take casts Joe as selfishly using bodies for one game; objections note he was taken early and his hosts would die. The selection montage is compared with Final Destination as hidden horror. — Van Lathan
- Keeping memories would be kinder but weaken the ending. Possible Jarrett family obligations complicate possession. A horror sequel imagines competing souls, a broken saxophone and the title Heaven Will Not Wait/Get My Body Back; Mr. Jordan as devil remains speculation.
- Mr. Jordan’s aphorism is said jokingly to invent Jim Rome’s contrarian take culture. — Van Lathan
- A speaker calls Christie the most attractive British woman, with Hurley the other finalist. Mirren is an alternate; Eva Green’s assumed British identity is corrected to French. Christie remains the original choice. — Chris Ryan
The Butch’s Girlfriend Award for the Weakest Link in the Film
Two Rams quarterback deaths; Julie Christie’s hair and styling
In the discussion (3)
- Van cannot think of a weak link. — Van Lathan
- Two quarterback deaths or near-deaths in months are offered as a plot weakness; another speaker says that is a nitpick and corrects that Jarrett apparently survives. A Tua/Blanda possession scenario is a joke.
- Christie’s hair and vibe are selected despite the speaker considering her exceptionally beautiful. — Bill Simmons
In the discussion (1)
- Van Lathan More Black People category no, enough already.
Most Rewatchable Scene
Meredith encounter; hotel-room VR
In the discussion (16)
- Rewatchable scenes: Tom learns he may lose his job, then meets Meredith and angrily tells his staff he was passed over. The workplace banter is praised as absurdly full of statements that would now prompt HR complaints. — Bill Simmons
- The staff's impromptu feminism debate is praised, especially the female engineer who can trade jokes with the men while explaining obstacles they dismiss. Dennis Miller supplies the wisecracks. — Bill Simmons
- The after-hours drink with Meredith is praised for Moore's intensity and described as exceptionally charged without nudity. The hosts debate how its appeal implicates viewers because she ignores refusal, while the former couple's familiarity complicates the scene. — Bill Simmons
- Meredith invokes their sexual history, comments cruelly on Tom's wife and domestic life, and stresses that he has more to lose. The old-flame trope and personal familiarity help explain his initial participation. — Bill Simmons
- The encounter is compared with Single White Female's scene of a man outwardly resisting while participating; that film is preferred in the comparison, and its subsequent self-righteous response is mocked. — Bill Simmons
- Tom seeing his reflection and recognizing what he is doing is singled out as an exceptional Great Shot Gordo moment. — Bill Simmons
- Meredith's furious reaction after Tom stops and her demand that he return are praised for Moore's commitment and the scene's magnetic excess. — Bill Simmons
- Dennis Miller exposes Tom's situation at a double date; Tom's wife says she already knows. Her later accounting of his mistakes is praised, along with his defensive speech about power. — Bill Simmons
- Tom's deposition is praised for both lawyers and its squirm-inducing questions, with his female attorney opposed by Meredith's traditional male lawyer. — Bill Simmons
- Meredith's deposition unravels through the rare 1991 Pahlmeyer Chardonnay: ordering it weeks earlier undermines her account of an impromptu meeting. The hosts enjoy the wine knowledge and legal construction.
- The recording exposes Meredith's account, after which she doubles down with a speech about sexual aggression and women in power. The hosts compare the shift with Sharon Stone's interrogation and praise its theatrical excess.
- The hotel-room virtual-reality sequence is a favorite for its cliff, poor effects, Meredith's avatar jump scare, and her angry computer face. Its file retrieval is contrasted with modern VR games used for amusement. — Bill Simmons
- Getting into a hotel room by asking staff to clean it is praised as a 1990s movie device while questioned as real-world security, with Pacific Heights as another example. — Bill Simmons
- The shareholder showdown firing Meredith is called unrealistic but entertaining. The ending gives Stephanie the job, reveals the anonymous friend, and restores Tom's family and employment. — Bill Simmons
- The Donald Sutherland sexual-advance dream is called the funniest scene by one participant and an aged-worst choice by another, with its close-up treated as a jump scare. — Bill Simmons
- Final scene choices: Van's sexual encounter choice is acknowledged, while another participant favors the comic hotel-room VR sequence. — Bill Simmons
The Slow Ride / Kid Cudi – Pursuit of Happiness Award for Best Needle Drop
Humans Being; Long Way Down
In the discussion (4)
- Van Halen’s Humans Being energizes the movie; the soundtrack’s specially commissioned songs are appreciated. — Chris Ryan
- The Goo Goo Dolls’ Long Way Down is preferred as a song. — Chris Ryan
- Dusty watching Clapton’s Motherless Child video is considered inexplicable possible product placement. — Chris Ryan
- Omitting hip-hop is called a missed opportunity, with Twista and Busta Rhymes imagined. — Van Lathan
In the discussion (1)
- The Van Lathan category is explicitly skipped. — Bill Simmons
In the discussion (1)
- Van Stretch, despite the announcer's potentially awkward stretch-call phrasing. — Chris Ryan
Flex picks
The Proof of Life / David Caruso Award for a Character Who Should Have Been Spun Off into Their Own Sequel
Giancarlo Esposito’s Cassius Clay Sr., watching his son’s rise
Flex pick · Van Lathan
In the discussion (2)
- The flex category explicitly asks which character deserves a sequel. — Van Lathan
- Cassius Clay Sr.’s perspective across his son’s transformation is the chosen story. — Van Lathan
Five Movies Not Getting Greenlit in 2026
1. Soul Man; 2. The Birth of a Nation (1915); 3. Juwanna Mann; 4. Tropic Thunder; 5. The Ringer.
Flex pick · Van Lathan
In the discussion (10)
- The Ringer ranks fifth on the list of five movies not getting greenlit in 2026. — Van Lathan
- Tropic Thunder ranks fourth because the intact film is doubted as a present-day greenlight. — Van Lathan
- Juwanna Mann ranks third because a man dominates the women’s league. — Van Lathan
- The Birth of a Nation ranks second, specifically the 1915 film rather than the later film with the same title. — Van Lathan
- Soul Man ranks first and is considered impossible to make in 2026. — Van Lathan
- The film’s anti-racist conclusion is offered as a counterargument, but another speaker argues that viewers cannot get past its premise to reach that lesson.
- The Crying Game is proposed as another film likely to be attacked today, particularly because its secret would be deliberately spoiled.
- Fight Club is proposed as difficult to release now because preview coverage would expose its twist; the counterdiscussion focuses on lost secrecy rather than whether production itself is impossible.
- The Blair Witch Project is rejected as workable under the same modern secrecy conditions. — Van Lathan
- American History X is considered still makeable. — Van Lathan
Flex pick · Van Lathan
In the discussion (4)
- Van’s explicitly introduced top-five fictional bands are, from fifth to first: Josie and the Pussycats, the Wonders, Spinal Tap, the Five Heartbeats and Stillwater; Eddie and the Cruisers is intentionally excluded from this episode’s list. — Bill Simmons
- A follow-up distinguishes best fictional band from best music: the Five Heartbeats, Wonders, Eddie and the Cruisers and Stillwater are compared, with Fever Dog considered a weaker signature than On the Dark Side or That Thing You Do!. — Van Lathan
- The Revolution and the Time are excluded as actual bands despite Purple Rain’s fictional framing; Sex Bob-omb is suggested as an additional candidate.
- Additional fictional-band candidates include Sex Bob-omb, the EuroTrip band, Hey That’s My Bike, CB4 and Citizen Dick; the Dan Band is distinguished as real and Citizen Dick’s onscreen performance is disputed.
How Would Van Lathan Get Out of This One?
A motel visit framed as adult political and cultural outreach
Flex pick · Van Lathan
In the discussion (1)
- Van explicitly selects How Would Van Get Out of This One, inventing a defense of a motel visit as political/cultural outreach with adult college fans; the lengthy story is a comic hypothetical, not an event. — Van Lathan
Flex pick · Van Lathan
In the discussion (5)
- The top five begins with Running Scared fifth and Reggie/Jack fourth; the latter placement is disputed. — Van Lathan
- Vincent/Jules rank third and Sidney/Billy second, with the action-comedy boundaries explicitly stretched. — Van Lathan
- Riggs/Murtaugh rank first; 48 Hours is defended as the influential prototype, and the ranking remains disputed. — Van Lathan
- Honorable mentions are Django, Men in Black, The Last Boy Scout and Money Talks; Men in Black could replace Running Scared. — Van Lathan
- Wilder/Pryor are qualified, while Crockett/Tubbs raises the distinction between movie and television duos.
How Would Van Lathan Get Out of This One?
Rick separately reframes Kevin’s betrayal to his wife and sets boundaries with his girlfriend.
Flex pick · Van Lathan
In the discussion (3)
- The speaker chooses Rick and tells his wife that Kevin’s betrayal proves her prior suspicions right. — Van Lathan
- For Monique, the speaker proposes reasserting that their time apart is separate and offering a later hotel visit. — Van Lathan
- The panel questions why Rick must arrange the late-night pizza and jokes about how both women might resist his framing. — Van Lathan
Did This Movie Need a Random Sports Scene?
Yes: a Halloween-night homecoming football gathering could let Michael attack players and even suit up as an unstoppable tight end.
Flex pick · Van Lathan
In the discussion (1)
- A football game or team gathering would widen Haddonfield beyond the hospital and give Michael athletic victims. — Van Lathan
The Den of Thieves Benihana Award for Scene-Stealing Location
Clarksdale and the American South
Flex pick · Van Lathan
In the discussion (2)
- Clarksdale and the American South are praised for textured beauty and convincingly old buildings. — Van Lathan
- A Mississippi drive past cotton fields illustrates the South’s brutal beauty and its uneasy historical associations. — Van Lathan
Did This Movie Need a Random Sports Scene?
Yes—a Yankees game
Flex pick · Van Lathan
In the discussion (1)
- The flex proposes an actual Yankees game during the stadium scene. The baseball strike may explain access, but the film could mention it; the Mets’ stadium is another option.
The Stephen A. Smith Hottest Take Award
An accidental Luke–Leia sexual relationship; Han mistreats Luke; Star Wars is great art and a damaging industrial precedent
Flex pick · Van Lathan
In the discussion (4)
- The trilogy is said to become darker and better if Luke and Leia unknowingly have sex before learning they are siblings.
- The imagined guilt is argued to give Luke a stronger pull toward the dark side. — Van Lathan
- Star Wars is called both one of the best films ever and one of the worst things to happen to Hollywood because of its industrial influence.
- Han is called a cock-blocking dickhead who pursues Leia and tells Luke not to get cocky after Luke's success. — Chris Ryan
Paulie Award for Asshole of the Film
Paulie
The panel proposes a new category here.
Flex pick · Van Lathan
In the discussion (3)
- Van explicitly selected flex Paulie Award for Asshole of Film, Paulie winner. Discusses sequel power-of-attorney financial ruin, objection Rocky V never happened; modest defense Rocky IV his best version.
- Paulie flex continued: treats sister as commodity, blames her for unmarried life, insults her, destroys Thanksgiving turkey while keeping leg and coerces date. Rocky partly complicit in coercion; exaggerated wished-for retaliation. — Chris Ryan
- Paulie flex: no redeeming deep-down goodness; proposed Paulie/Panino why-character-awful naming, neighbors would tire of yelling.
Top Five List
Top five "white people solve racism" movies
Flex pick · Van Lathan
In the discussion (3)
- The explicitly ranked white-people-solve-racism list begins with The Blind Side at number five and A Time to Kill at number four. — Van Lathan
- Number three is described as everyone being racist and beautiful, referring to the current film in context; The Help is second and Driving Miss Daisy first. — Van Lathan
- The Help and Driving Miss Daisy are mocked as self-congratulatory, while The Help’s actors are praised; a bookstore colleague deliberately called the book The Hep. — Joanna Robinson











