Adrian King (as transcribed) is definitely at her apex; 1980 is called a big drowning year, with Ordinary People raised; Jason and Kevin Bacon are a no.
For summer campsite movies the apex is probably Meatballs, while for Halloween ripoff movies this is definitely it; the Blairstown Diner and strip Monopoly are also a yes.
Strip Monopoly is doubted as playable because Monopoly takes four hours, leading to a story of a Monopoly phase that threatened a friend group's friendships.
One more entry, dumb kids in horror movies, is raised as a question, whether these are the dumbest kids in a horror movie, and left unsettled: one participant would need to do some comparing, Sleepaway Camp is raised and the Halloween kids are not thought dumb; the hosts agree only that these kids are morons, from going to check things out to the generator going out and the lights at the archery range.
Victor Miller saw Jason as a victim; shot in Warren County, New Jersey, at Camp Noby Noby Bosco (as transcribed); Palmer slapped King in rehearsal; Harry Crosby briefly lost his sight; Kevin Bacon's death-scene autographs; Robbie Morgan is married to Mark L. Wahlberg
The screenwriter Miller thought it would be fun to turn motherhood on its head with a female killer and was upset that Jason became the killer, saying Jason was a victim, not a villain; the hosts answer that it was a Halloween ripoff.
The movie was shot in Warren County, New Jersey, with the camp scenes at a working Boy Scout camp called Camp Noby Noby Bosco (as transcribed).
Palmer slapped King in the face during a rehearsal, upsetting her, and had to be taught to fake a hit; Harry Crosby got fake blood in his eye from the arrow and briefly lost his sight.
Kevin Bacon reportedly gets asked to sign screenshots of his death scene in this movie more than any of his other movies.
Robbie Morgan, who played Annie, has been married since 1987 to Mark L. Wahlberg, the host of Temptation Island, not the actor.
A tangent covers whether Temptation Island still exists, hosting one of those shows, and Love is Blind in Boston without actual Boston people.
The sex is called misplayed: if the angry killer mom is upset that counselors had sex, the climax should have built up to a sex scene with Kevin Bacon that she infiltrates.
Instead, the boy drowning while they had sex is the motive, but the sex scene is only the second death, and she kills people who are not having sex anyway.
It should have been the final moment of the movie, a big sex scene kill, and more should have happened in strip Monopoly; another participant agrees.
Knowing the reveal; Steve hitting on the staff; faking a drowning for mouth-to-mouth; 'Settle down, Tonto'; the dark low-budget lighting; the off-screen Brenda kill; Ned; killing a live snake; the Bogart impression; no intimacy coordinator
Knowing the reveal makes it a tough watch, along with Steve hitting on the staff, faking a drowning so a cute co-worker gives you mouth-to-mouth, and Settle Down Tonto.
They had so little money that there was not enough light, which is why the movie is so dark, and with more money the kills would have popped more, joked as Michael Mann redoing it.
The Brenda kill is not shown: she wanders out to the archery range and then she is dead, maybe for lack of money, as the production seemed able to show a kill or its aftermath but not both.
Asked for what's aged the worst, the next participant opens with obviously Ned.
The snake scene, about six minutes long, has also aged badly, and they actually killed the live snake; according to Adrian King in the book Crystal Lake Memories, the owner stood off to the side with tears running down his cheeks.
The Bogart impression aged badly, and the hosts call this a nipple movie, still basically the 70s, before later 80s horror leaned on gratuitous nudity.
Kevin Bacon's hands are all over the place in a very long shot, with no intimacy coordinator on the movie.
The setup for the sequels; Kevin Bacon; Crazy Ralph as the town crazy; strip Monopoly; Jack's weather knowledge; how horny men are; Harry Manfredini's score
A truly tremendous setup for the sequels, laying the groundwork with the question of where the boy is.
Kevin Bacon is named, then the town crazy, Crazy Ralph: the gimmick has never gone wrong because the town crazy is the only person who gives a real warning, and the hosts doubt Ralph knew it was Pamela.
Asked for the most underrated town crazy, a participant names Sam Jackson in Above the Rim before correcting it to Bernie Mac as Flip.
Strip Monopoly is picked, with jokes that nobody knows its rules, that Monopoly is a three or four hour game, and that the guy had threesome ideas.
Jack announcing that the wind shifted 180 degrees and the storm will tear down the valley shows what dudes were like before ESPN, when they knew about weather and how to fix stuff.
Another pick is how horny men are: Marcy recounts her dream of rain turning into blood, and Jack responds only by asking if she wants to go inside.
Nobody mentions the cemetery or the Camp Blood nickname of Camp Crystal Lake, and the cemetery would be as scary.
The last pick is the score by Harry Manfredini: a participant heard it as choo choo ha ha for 46 years before learning it is Kiki Mama (as transcribed); Halloween's piano theme takes the gold and this the silver.
The walk-through starts with the opening scene set in 1958, where counselors sing Michael Rode, Roll the Boat of Shore (as transcribed) before Jason's mom takes them down, and the sex scene never comes.
Because of that song it may be a religious camp, which leads to a riff on over the pants contact and the acronym OTPHJ, which one participant, who grew up in Baton Rouge, had never heard.
Annie's car ride to Camp Blood, the journey to Crystal Lake, is a good horror setup: a local who coexists with the evil tells her to stop and get out, and the truck driver who gives her a ride grabs her ass as she gets in.
A participant who left the Sycamore office imagines being told that Simmons' house is where people go to die, and refusing to come over.
She heads to a camp in the middle of the woods while a whole diner warns her off, with a left at the cemetery as another red flag; the butt grab is thought to have been directed, and one participant got nervous the driver was another Texas Chainsaw guy.
Starting the killing with a character outside the main narrative shows how much danger everyone else is in; the sequels, especially two and three, open with the last 10 minutes of the previous movie to get a kill in, because the next 40 minutes are kids hanging out.
Her scene ends in a graphic throat cut; it is her second hitchhiking ride, and after getting away from the first guy she seems comfortable with the next person, whose car keeps going past the sign.
The mom as the villain was a zag in the theater, and it makes sense because every victim greets the killer from the killer's POV; it later became legend, with a film bro kid in middle school explaining that it is actually Jason's mom.
Jack, Kevin Bacon's character, and Marcy buying it are a couple of good deaths: the through-the-bed death was filmed with his head over the bed and a fake body, and Jack probably died happy with a quick arrow through the throat.
Marcy getting the axe to the forehead is a disappointing death because she saw it coming, and the last thing she sees is the scariest thing in the world.
Jason's mom is called one of the greatest female athletes ever, killing since 58 and getting better over time like Derrick Henry, versatile enough to throw a body through a window and keep her blue sweater clean.
At the end she explains her reasons like she is doing a podcast, a gimmick Fruising (as transcribed) also had, prompting an impression of Matt Bellany (as transcribed) asking whether one death is a good enough reason to kill the counselors.
Alice finds Bill and the rest of the bodies, Bill with an arrow through the eyeball, and builds a barricade compared to Minecraft Mike Tomlin; then Jason's mom shows up saying they were making love while the young boy drowned.
Betsy Palmer loses what is scored like a UFC fight, 50 to 45; Alice sitting with her back to the house after leaving her attacker is called a strange choice and a trope, topped only by Jamie Lee Curtis dropping the knife in Halloween.
The fight is a lot of shin and box kicking and a frying pan, ending in a good slow-motion decapitation with the machete and the music.
The second ending in the canoe is one of the scariest things one participant ever saw; the newcomer whose reaction is requested calls it legitimately shocking, the only scary part for them, having expected a little tease with two minutes left.
The ending is thought to be influenced by Carrie's hand coming out at the end and to have been Tom Savini's idea for one more button; Jason was not yet envisioned, his disfigured body is called great, and the jump scare was often imitated afterwards.
The pick is Marcy and Jack dying, where you just know you're in Friday the 13th, called the biting of the apple, and another participant had the same scene; it is funny that it is Kevin Bacon, with the softball line quoted.
The last participant asked for a most rewatchable scene agrees with the others.
Van says the film needs a Black David Lindhagen. Idris Elba and Taye Diggs are deemed too handsome, Ice-T rejected, and Keenen Ivory Wayans and Giancarlo Esposito proposed.
Esposito is disputed as too sinister; Underwood, Haysbert and Chris Rock are considered, with age and scene-dominance objections. Bacon’s ordinary likability is defended. — Bill Simmons
Jacob’s account of his parents explains his behavior and why Cal reminds him of someone, praised as an effective interlocking script rather than forced exposition. — Bill Simmons
Choosing sides after a couple’s divorce ages well and prompts a proposed game-show idea. — Bill Simmons
Westfield Century City Mall is strongly praised as aged best, alongside the film’s Valley/Los Angeles setting; the attraction ranking is not a complete top-ten list. — Bill Simmons
Jonah Bobo’s performance, Bacon’s romantic-antagonist skill, the Scarlet Letter complaint and the pole-dancing line are aged-best choices. — Bill Simmons
The use of cuckold and bang and the small jokes age well, while saying nobody uses cuckold anymore ages poorly.
Scene candidates include the divorce/car exit and Jacob meeting Hannah. Lady Bird is compared to the car exit; Jacob’s confidence under rejection divides interpretation. — Bill Simmons
The friends choosing sides in divorce and John Carroll Lynch’s breakup scene are praised as an underexplored social dynamic. — Bill Simmons
The male makeover montage is praised for humor, effective styling and Cal’s renewed self-respect; other makeover films are compared and the already-attractive-woman trope criticized. Carell changing weight is explicitly speculation. — Bill Simmons
Scene candidates include pickup training, Robbie raising Bacon’s chair, Tomei’s bar encounter and the teacher reveal. Tomei receives a playful long-term-crush honor. — Bill Simmons
Hannah returning to Jacob’s house is praised for the Dirty Dancing lift, humor, surprising vulnerability and a believable connection built in minutes; whether they have sex remains inferred rather than shown. — Bill Simmons
The actors’ chemistry prompts discussion of on-set relationships and spouses, including Mr. & Mrs. Smith as a comparison; speculation is not film fact. — Bill Simmons
The converging backyard fight and Bacon’s arrival are praised. The graduation speech is rejected by one host as too sweet, with other school-ending films discussed. — Bill Simmons
The romantic Dirty Dancing sequence wins the scene majority, with a dissenting preference for the backyard fight. — Mina Kimes
A late scene candidate is Cal’s nighttime phone call while looking through the window; Talking Heads during lawn watering is an additional needle-drop choice, with no song title stated here.
