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Rob Morrow should have become a movie star

Bill Simmons: Rob Morrow should have become one of the world’s biggest movie stars after this performance.

Bill Simmons: Had the film opened in 1995, it could have beaten Braveheart for Picture and Director.

The film

Quiz Show (1994)

Directed by Robert Redford · Thriller

133 minutes

Cast

Selected cast credits · Film reference

John Turturro Herb Stempel
Rob Morrow Richard N. Goodwin
Ralph Fiennes Charles Van Doren
David Paymer Dan Enright
Elizabeth Wilson Dorothy Van Doren
Paul Scofield Mark Van Doren
Hank Azaria Albert Freedman
Mira Sorvino Sandra Goodwin
Johann Carlo Toby Stempel

Everything from the episode

In the order the hosts got to it. Open a row for the discussion.

33:04

Roger Ebert's review

In the discussion (2)
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  • The review called the screenplay smart, subtle, and ruthless. — Bill Simmons
  • The hosts especially valued Ebert’s point that tempting others can carry greater blame than being tempted. — Bill Simmons
35:38

Most Rewatchable Scene

No consensus: Van Doren–Stempel game/montage; Goodwin–Van Doren friendship/Connecticut

No consensus: Van Doren–Stempel game/montage; Goodwin–Van Doren friendship/Connecticut

In the discussion (16)
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  • The Chrysler opener was praised, though its Sputnik button was criticized as overly obvious. — Brian Koppelman
  • Stempel’s first appearance inside the 1950s quiz-show set was nominated. — Bill Simmons
  • Van Doren’s interview and the producers’ uncertainty about whether he took the bait were nominated. — Bill Simmons
  • The Paymer–Azaria comedy-team exchanges were nominated. — Bill Simmons
  • Stempel learning he must lose, including the $70,000 humiliation line, was nominated. — Bill Simmons
  • Van Doren beating Stempel after recognizing the audition question was nominated for its “what would you do” tension. — Bill Simmons
  • The “things are looking up for Charles Van Doren” montage was nominated. — Bill Simmons
  • The fake shoe-tie used to delay the limousine was nominated. — Bill Simmons
  • The chocolate-cake confrontation between Charles and his father was nominated. — Bill Simmons
  • Stempel’s testimony was nominated. — Bill Simmons
  • The network president lobbying Van Doren and warning that speculation becomes fact was nominated. — Bill Simmons
  • Charles confessing to his father and Schofield’s reaction were nominated. — Bill Simmons
  • Van Doren’s statement about borrowed wings and an unbuilt foundation was nominated. — Bill Simmons
  • The ending was included among the candidates. — Bill Simmons
  • One preference was the stretch from Van Doren beating Stempel through the montage and shoe-tie. — Brian Koppelman
  • A competing preference was the Goodwin–Van Doren near-friendship from the club through the Connecticut visit. — Brian Koppelman
40:07

The Big Kahuna Burger Award for Best Use of Food and Drink

The chocolate cake

The chocolate cake

In the discussion (2)
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  • The chocolate-cake scene was nominated as best use of food or drink. — Bill Simmons
  • Geritol was offered as the competing choice. — Bill Simmons
44:13

The most 1994 thing

1994 Martin Scorsese

1994 Martin Scorsese

In the discussion (3)
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46:36

What’s Aged the Best?

The class world, father–son relationship, rigged-reality prescience, character actors, and enduring craft all drew pr...

The class world, father–son relationship, rigged-reality prescience, character actors, and enduring craft all drew praise.

In the discussion (11)
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  • The 1950s upper-class circles and outsider seduction were praised. — Bill Simmons
  • The father–son dynamic was praised for communicating weight and deference with little screen time. — Bill Simmons
  • The film’s treatment of rigged reality shows was seen as newly resonant. — Bill Simmons
  • Children wanting to grow up to be Joe DiMaggio was enjoyed as authentic period texture. — Brian Koppelman
  • Barry Levinson’s performance aged well. — Bill Simmons
  • Martin Scorsese’s performance aged well. — Bill Simmons
  • The surviving footage of Stempel intentionally missing the answer was praised as revealing source material. — Bill Simmons
  • Paul Attanasio’s decision to make the fixed loss the dramatic climax was praised as screenwriting craft. — Bill Simmons
  • Geritol’s once-ubiquitous brand presence was enjoyed as vanished commercial history. — Bill Simmons
  • Mark Van Doren’s poker-table sucker maxim was praised and recognized as an unconscious precursor to Rounders. — Brian Koppelman
  • Goodwin’s line about not knowing which end of an ace is up was praised. — Brian Koppelman
54:08

The Great Shot Gordo Award for Most Cinematic Shot

The opening NBC/quiz-show camera movement and editing

The opening NBC/quiz-show camera movement and editing

In the discussion (1)
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  • The opening sequence’s moving camera and editing were praised as cinematic and immersive. — Bill Simmons
54:32

Chest Rockwell / Brock Landers Award for Best Character Name

Charles Van Doren

Charles Van Doren

In the discussion (1)
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  • Charles Van Doren was praised as an exceptionally WASP and powerful-sounding real name. — Bill Simmons
54:52

The Butch’s Girlfriend Award for the Weakest Link in the Film

Herb Stempel

Herb Stempel

In the discussion (2)
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  • Stempel’s volume and presence slightly reduce rewatchability for one host. — Bill Simmons
  • The counterpoint was that Stempel represents the little man and Turturro is great. — Bill Simmons
55:39

What’s Aged the Worst?

Morrow’s accent, Geritol’s claims, damage to quiz shows, and altered history

Morrow’s accent, Geritol’s claims, damage to quiz shows, and altered history

In the discussion (10)
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  • Rob Morrow’s Boston accent was the first cited problem. — Bill Simmons
  • Geritol’s fatigue claims were effective only for people with anemia, according to the cited FTC history. — Bill Simmons
  • Geritol’s “my wife, I think I’ll keep her” comeback campaign was recalled as controversial. — Bill Simmons
  • The scandal caused stricter quiz-show laws and a long genre slump. — Bill Simmons
  • The film compressed roughly three years of scandal into one. — Bill Simmons
  • The film made Van Doren choose his wrong answer when NBC actually made that choice. — Bill Simmons
  • The film simplified the tied-game sequence and implied it ended sooner than it did. — Bill Simmons
  • Goodwin’s investigative importance was enlarged over the people who had already done much of the legwork. — Bill Simmons
  • Van Doren objected that the closing text erased his continued teaching after the scandal. — Brian Koppelman
  • Van Doren’s 2008 New Yorker defense was read as evidence that ego, fame, and money still shaped his account. — Brian Koppelman
59:52

The Stephen A. Smith Hottest Take Award

Rob Morrow should have become a movie star; releasing a year later might have won Best Picture and Director

Rob Morrow should have become a movie star; releasing a year later might have won Best Picture and Director

In the discussion (2)
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  • Rob Morrow should have become one of the world’s biggest movie stars after this performance. — Bill Simmons
  • Had the film opened in 1995, it could have beaten Braveheart for Picture and Director. — Bill Simmons
1:02:39

Casting What-Ifs

Redford’s Van Doren search, Paul Newman declining Mark Van Doren, and an uncertain Soderbergh/Tim Robbins path

Redford’s Van Doren search, Paul Newman declining Mark Van Doren, and an uncertain Soderbergh/Tim Robbins path

In the discussion (3)
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1:04:35

The Ruffalo / Hanna / Rubinek / Partridge Overacting Award

John Turturro as Herb Stempel

John Turturro as Herb Stempel

In the discussion (1)
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  • Turturro was identified as the only plausible choice despite broad praise for the performance. — Bill Simmons
1:04:56

The Joey Pants “That Guy” Award

Barry Levinson

Barry Levinson

In the discussion (2)
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1:08:32

The Dion Waiters Award for Best Heat Check Performance

Hank Azaria

Hank Azaria

In the discussion (1)
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1:08:44

Recasting Couch

Young Russell Crowe as Dick Goodwin

Young Russell Crowe as Dick Goodwin

In the discussion (1)
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1:10:39

Sasha Jenkins Award for Actor Who You Can’t Believe Didn’t Become a Bigger Star

Christopher McDonald

Christopher McDonald

Flex pick · Craig Horlbeck

In the discussion (3)
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  • Craig introduced Christopher McDonald as a mini-version of the category and praised his timing, looks, humor, and versatility.
  • The hosts agreed McDonald occupied an awkward space between leading man and character actor.
  • His work as Jack Barry and his tape-viewing double take were praised.
1:13:59

Half-Assed Internet Research

Research covered Van Doren’s roadster, the original and revived 21, and Barry and Enright’s later careers.

Research covered Van Doren’s roadster, the original and revived 21, and Barry and Enright’s later careers.

In the discussion (7)
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  • Van Doren drove a red Mercedes-Benz 300-SL roadster, now potentially worth seven figures. — Bill Simmons
  • 21 ran for three seasons. — Bill Simmons
  • 21 peaked at number 21 in the ratings. — Bill Simmons
  • 21 was revived in 2000 with Maury Povich. — Bill Simmons
  • Dan Enright moved to Canada after the scandal. — Bill Simmons
  • Jack Barry did not host another national show for more than a decade. — Bill Simmons
  • Barry and Enright returned through The Joker’s Wild and became wealthy.
1:15:04

Apex Mountain

Quiz-show movies: yes

Quiz-show movies: yes

In the discussion (9)
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1:18:48

Cruise or Hanks?

Tom Hanks

Tom Hanks

In the discussion (2)
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  • Cruise was proposed as Goodwin or Van Doren but challenged on bookishness and restraint. — Brian Koppelman
  • Hanks was accepted as the final choice. — Bill Simmons
1:21:04

Scorsese or Spielberg?

The hosts split: Spielberg, Scorsese, and Curtis Hanson were each named.

The hosts split: Spielberg, Scorsese, and Curtis Hanson were each named.

In the discussion (2)
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1:21:34

What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman play?

Charles Van Doren

Charles Van Doren

In the discussion (4)
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1:22:07

Picking Nits

Prize-money structure, the Reuben claim, and insufficient period smoking

Prize-money structure, the Reuben claim, and insufficient period smoking

In the discussion (3)
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  • The movie does not explain what contestants truly risked or how side deals changed the prize money.
  • The claim that only one person invented a sandwich was rejected. — Bill Simmons
  • The 1950s setting seemed to contain too little cigarette smoke. — Bill Simmons
1:24:52

Sequel, Prequel, Limited Series, or All-Black Remake

A prestige series about broader 1950s television corruption was considered possible but not especially desired.

A prestige series about broader 1950s television corruption was considered possible but not especially desired.

In the discussion (1)
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  • A series could broaden the story to other corrupt shows. — Bill Simmons
1:25:06

Is This Movie Better With…?

Teddy KGB as Herb Stempel

Teddy KGB as Herb Stempel

In the discussion (1)
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  • Teddy KGB was proposed to replace Herb Stempel and repurpose “pay that man his money.” — Bill Simmons
1:26:00

Just One Oscar

Paul Attanasio’s screenplay

Paul Attanasio’s screenplay

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1:26:12

Probably Unanswerable Questions

Geritol, Van Doren’s alternative life, 21 today, and accepting supplied answers

Geritol, Van Doren’s alternative life, 21 today, and accepting supplied answers

In the discussion (4)
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  • What exactly was Geritol and what did it claim to do? — Bill Simmons
  • What would Charles Van Doren’s life have been if he rejected the compromised question? — Brian Koppelman
  • Would the hosts watch a modern revival of 21? — Bill Simmons
  • What would each host do in Van Doren’s situation? — Brian Koppelman
1:27:51

What Piece of Memorabilia Would You Want From This Movie?

The Mark Van Doren painting and silverware box

The Mark Van Doren painting and silverware box

In the discussion (2)
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  • One choice was the portrait of the father. — Brian Koppelman
  • The other was the inherited silverware box and its contents. — Bill Simmons
1:28:07

The Coach Finstock Award for Best Life Lesson

The hosts split between “speculation becomes fact” and “not till you have a kid of your own.”

The hosts split between “speculation becomes fact” and “not till you have a kid of your own.”

In the discussion (2)
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  • The TV executive’s warning that speculation becomes fact was one choice. — Bill Simmons
  • “Not till you have a kid of your own” was the competing choice. — Bill Simmons
1:28:07

Best Double Feature

Donnie Brasco; The English Patient; Network; The Player
In the discussion (3)
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1:28:37

Who Won the Movie?

Robert Redford

Robert Redford

In the discussion (1)
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  • Redford was selected for the film’s place in his directorial and star renaissance. — Bill Simmons

More from the conversation

The discussion framed the movie as a story about television manipulation, institutional distrust, celebrity, class, and the erosion of 1950s idealism.
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The screenplay was praised as unusually efficient, and Redford’s stated motivation was linked to having watched the scandal unfold.
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Timothy Busfield reportedly said Redford called in favors, which the hosts used to explain the deep cast and lack of casting alternatives.
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The film’s “based on a true story” liberties were flagged early and revisited in the historical-accuracy discussion.
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Craig highlighted the film’s continuing relevance to mass-media manipulation, nepotism, class, and AI-era questions of reality.
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Paul Attanasio’s broader work and status as an under-celebrated screenwriter were strongly praised.
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