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Data-driven M

Bill Simmons: Hottest takes include M anticipating data-driven management and a missed opportunity for a Bond/006 buddy prequel built on their chemistry.

Another hottest take argues Brosnan would rank second among Bonds if Campbell had directed all his films, praising Campbell’s energy and criticizing the sequels.

Governments change, lies remain

Life-lesson candidates are half of everything is luck and governments change but lies remain, with the latter strongly endorsed.

The film

GoldenEye (1995)

Directed by Martin Campbell · Thriller

Cast

Selected cast credits · Film reference

Everything from the episode

In the order the hosts got to it. Open a row for the discussion.

13:22

Casting What-Ifs

Gibson; Grant; Fiennes; McGann; Hopkins; Rickman; Porizkova; Herzigová; Woo

Gibson; Grant; Fiennes; McGann; Hopkins; Rickman; Porizkova; Herzigová; Woo

In the discussion (5)
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  • Brosnan’s Remington Steele contract reportedly prevented his earlier Bond casting; Dalton later declined a multi-film commitment, opening GoldenEye for Brosnan. — Bill Simmons
  • Casting What-Ifs reports Gibson, Grant and Fiennes discussions; Gibson’s age comparison is corrected to younger than Brosnan. — Bill Simmons
  • Law is a hypothetical timing alternative, Paul McGann is reported as a studio fallback, and the Zabka claim is plainly joking. — Chris Ryan
  • Casting discussion reports Hopkins and Rickman declining an older 006, and Porizkova/Herzigová declining Natalya; Scorupco divides opinion. Courteney Cox as Xenia is explicitly unverified and doubted. — Bill Simmons
  • John Woo reportedly declined directing; the hosts weigh losing Broken Arrow or Face/Off and praise Travolta’s villain turn.
30:06

The Craig Century Club

Ten to twenty minutes shorter

Ten to twenty minutes shorter

In the discussion (1)
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  • Reported box office marks a major Bond hit; the 130-minute runtime is judged ten to twenty minutes too long, especially the delayed mission setup.
31:02

Roger Ebert's review

In the discussion (1)
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  • Ebert’s three-star review is explicitly stated and its shaken-not-stirred ending admired; the hosts note his continued Connery preference.
32:46

Most Rewatchable Scene

The tank chase

The tank chase

In the discussion (9)
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  • The opening bungee jump and motorcycle-to-plane stunt are major scene candidates. The plane leap is a Dan Campbell candidate, with physical implausibility contrasted with convincing execution and Cruise comparisons. — Bill Simmons
  • The car race is a scene candidate; the evaluator is initially misidentified as Moneypenny then correctly identified as Caroline. The Ferrari’s superiority and workplace impropriety are discussed. — Bill Simmons
  • The baccarat scene prompts uncertainty about its rules and a personal anecdote about a skilled woman dominating a magazine-workers poker game.
  • Bond’s signature introduction, drink order and Moneypenny flirtation are scene highlights, with changing workplace norms discussed. — Bill Simmons
  • The steam-room fight and 006 reveal are scene candidates; the betrayal makes his explanatory speech more motivated. Bond’s orphan backstory prompts a Vertical Limit comparison.
  • The tank chase is the preferred scene for two hosts, praised for escalation and destruction while its operation, speed and tight turns are nitpicked.
  • Xenia’s tree death and Bond’s squeeze joke are praised as outrageous Austin Powers material. — Bill Simmons
  • The exploding pen, ladder fight and Boris freezing are scene candidates; the final structure evokes Fortnite. — Bill Simmons
  • The tank chase wins the majority, with the opening twelve minutes the dissenting choice. Bond meeting Jack Wade is a late minor scene candidate. — Bill Simmons
32:46

The Dan Campbell Scale for “Holy Shit, Are They Really Going for It Right Now?”

The motorcycle-to-plane leap

The motorcycle-to-plane leap

In the discussion (1)
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  • The opening bungee jump and motorcycle-to-plane stunt are major scene candidates. The plane leap is a Dan Campbell candidate, with physical implausibility contrasted with convincing execution and Cruise comparisons. — Bill Simmons
40:20

Worst Accent

Janssen; Cumming; Minnie Driver

Janssen; Cumming; Minnie Driver

In the discussion (1)
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  • Worst-accent candidates are Janssen, Cumming and Minnie Driver, with enjoyment of the exaggerated performances despite the accents. — Sean Fennessey
42:40

Picking Nits

Natalya’s survival; tank capabilities; gunfire escapes; slow exit; 006’s fall; missile crash

Natalya’s survival; tank capabilities; gunfire escapes; slow exit; 006’s fall; missile crash

In the discussion (3)
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  • Natalya repeatedly surviving destruction and reaching the city from Siberia are questioned. — Bill Simmons
  • The tank chase is the preferred scene for two hosts, praised for escalation and destruction while its operation, speed and tight turns are nitpicked.
  • Nitpicks include escaping many gunmen, Natalya surviving the explosion, tank capabilities, Bond’s slow exit, 006 surviving the fall and the missile/plane crash leaving the leads unharmed. — Bill Simmons
49:11

The most 1995 thing

BMW Z3; post-Soviet Russia; internet cafés; computers; workplace flirtation; theme-song team

BMW Z3; post-Soviet Russia; internet cafés; computers; workplace flirtation; theme-song team

In the discussion (3)
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  • Most-1995 choices include post-Soviet Russia, internet cafés, computers, workplace flirtation and the theme-song team; BMW Z3 is the leading choice.
  • The Z3 marketing debut prompts Bill’s dislike of the design and a joking car-podcast/personal driving digression. — Bill Simmons
  • The driving anecdote concludes and the Z3 period answer is reaffirmed.
51:24

What’s Aged the Best?

Xenia; Russian villains; Joe Don Baker; product placement; Minnie Driver; poster; Brosnan; villain speeches

Xenia; Russian villains; Joe Don Baker; product placement; Minnie Driver; poster; Brosnan; villain speeches

In the discussion (5)
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  • Xenia’s lethal leg squeeze, overt sexual performance, Russian villains and Joe Don Baker’s later-career presence age best; his prior Bond role and Felix’s injury prompt uncertain recollections.
  • Organic product placement, Minnie Driver’s cameo and the poster are aged-best choices.
  • Brosnan’s balanced Bond is praised through NBA-center analogies; future Bond casting and Dua Lipa involvement remain speculation, with Elba, Kaluuya and Patel alternatives discussed.
  • Brosnan’s fit is contrasted with Hugh Grant; Liam Neeson is imagined as a tougher alternative. An oldest-Bond claim is also made, without independent verification.
  • Elaborate villain speeches instead of simply killing Bond are enjoyed despite implausibility, with the pen scene criticized; Bond’s post-explosion victory lap is admired.
59:04

The Great Shot Gordo Award for Most Cinematic Shot

The opening dam sequence

The opening dam sequence

In the discussion (1)
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59:09

Chest Rockwell / Brock Landers Award for Best Character Name

Xenia Onatopp

Xenia Onatopp

In the discussion (1)
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  • Xenia Onatopp wins character name and is jokingly proposed as a replacement award name; Boris Grishenko is an alternative. — Chris Ryan
59:48

Hans Gruber Scale Villain Ranking

Xenia: 9.5; 006: 7.5–8

Xenia: 9.5; 006: 7.5–8

In the discussion (1)
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  • Villain ratings are Xenia nine-and-a-half and 006 roughly seven-and-a-half to eight, qualified by his fading menace and money motive. — Bill Simmons
1:00:18

Most Memorable Death by a Security Guard or Other Bystander

The train driver

The train driver

Flex pick · Chris Ryan

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  • Chris explicitly selects the Rick Trichet guard-death flex for the train driver forced toward the tank, imagining the forgotten bystander’s life. — Chris Ryan
1:02:05

The Butch’s Girlfriend Award for the Weakest Link in the Film

Repeated miraculous survival; complicated plot

Repeated miraculous survival; complicated plot

In the discussion (1)
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  • Weak links are Bond repeatedly surviving and the complicated plot. A concise revenge-and-theft explanation is offered, while the franchise’s style-over-substance appeal is defended.
1:04:27

What’s Aged the Worst?

Theme song; dinosaur rebuke; gadgets; score; passwords; serious Caribbean interlude

Theme song; dinosaur rebuke; gadgets; score; passwords; serious Caribbean interlude

In the discussion (4)
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  • The theme song and the misogynistic-dinosaur rebuke are aged-worst choices, followed by a football-injury digression. The discussion attributes the rebuke to Q; that attribution is retained as a podcast claim.
  • The gadget scene and score are criticized, especially the car-race music, with The Saint’s soundtrack offered as a better comparison.
  • Weak satellite passwords are an aged-worst choice, prompting recollections of early email names.
  • The serious Caribbean reflection is criticized as inconsistent with this Bond’s tone. A claim of only one sexual encounter is corrected by recalling Caroline.
1:09:12

Cringiest Quote

The frequent-flyer-mileage line

The frequent-flyer-mileage line

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  • The frequent-flyer-mileage line wins cringy quote; Cumming wins overacting, with Bean’s exaggerated head signal an alternative. — Chris Ryan
1:09:12

The Ruffalo / Hanna / Rubinek / Partridge Overacting Award

Alan Cumming

Alan Cumming

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  • The frequent-flyer-mileage line wins cringy quote; Cumming wins overacting, with Bean’s exaggerated head signal an alternative. — Chris Ryan
1:10:07

Sean Fennessey Award for Stealth Homage That Gives Every Movie Nerd a Criterion Orgasm

The Wild Bunch

The Wild Bunch

Flex pick · Sean Fennessey

In the discussion (1)
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  • Sean explicitly selects a stealth-homage flex: Ourumov shooting his own disobedient soldier recalls The Wild Bunch. Later invented homages are jokes, not findings. — Chris Ryan
1:10:53

The Stephen A. Smith Hottest Take Award

Data-driven M; Bond/006 prequel; Campbell directing every Brosnan film; Farrell as Bond

Data-driven M; Bond/006 prequel; Campbell directing every Brosnan film; Farrell as Bond

In the discussion (3)
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  • Hottest takes include M anticipating data-driven management and a missed opportunity for a Bond/006 buddy prequel built on their chemistry. — Bill Simmons
  • Another hottest take argues Brosnan would rank second among Bonds if Campbell had directed all his films, praising Campbell’s energy and criticizing the sequels.
  • Bill’s hottest take proposes Farrell as a potential best post-Connery Bond. Hypothetical career trades and Neeson’s reported family objection follow. — Sean Fennessey
1:18:39

The Joey Pants “That Guy” Award

Gottfried John; Tchéky Karyo

Gottfried John; Tchéky Karyo

In the discussion (1)
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1:19:16

The Dion Waiters Award for Best Heat Check Performance

Robbie Coltrane; Minnie Driver

Robbie Coltrane; Minnie Driver

In the discussion (1)
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1:19:33

Recasting Couch

Nolte as Jack Wade; Dennehy and Hoffman alternatives

Nolte as Jack Wade; Dennehy and Hoffman alternatives

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  • Recasting Couch proposes replacing Baker because of his earlier villain role, with Nolte favored and Dennehy/Hoffman alternatives; age and leading-man status are debated.
1:20:46

Female Sex-Killer Mount Rushmore

Xenia; Catherine Tramell; Sil; Amy Dunne

Xenia; Catherine Tramell; Sil; Amy Dunne

Flex pick · Craig Horlbeck

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  • Craig’s female-sex-killer Mount Rushmore names Xenia, Catherine Tramell, Sil and Amy Dunne. Die Hard with a Vengeance, Mia Goth and horror alternatives are additions. — Bill Simmons
1:22:19

Half-Assed Internet Research

Canadian admiral; title origins; Perrier consumption; Bond kill count

Canadian admiral; title origins; Perrier consumption; Bond kill count

In the discussion (1)
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  • Research reports changing the admiral from American to Canadian, the title’s Fleming-estate and wartime origins, 90,000 Perrier cans and a claimed forty-seven Bond kills. — Chris Ryan
1:23:40

Apex Mountain

Brosnan; Scorupco; BMW Z3; Perrier qualified

Brosnan; Scorupco; BMW Z3; Perrier qualified

In the discussion (5)
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  • Brosnan receives an apex yes for reviving Bond, with Mamma Mia and The Thomas Crown Affair alternatives. A Hot Fuzz attribution is also made in the discussion, without independent verification.
  • Scorupco and the BMW Z3 receive apex yes answers. — Bill Simmons
  • GoldenEye’s song is called a possible worst Bond theme; better songs are debated. Janssen is assigned X-Men and Bond overall the Connery era versus Skyfall. — Sean Fennessey
  • Baker’s apex is debated between Walking Tall and Mitchell/Mystery Science Theater; Perrier receives a tentative yes followed by sparkling-water comparisons.
  • Cumming is assigned The Traitors as a later apex, leading to hypothetical casting of Bill or Rachel Lindsay on that show and Survivor. — Bill Simmons
1:30:50

Cruise or Hanks?

Cruise

Cruise

In the discussion (1)
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1:31:00

Sequel, Prequel, Limited Series, or All-Black Remake

Updated hacking and deeper 006 history

Updated hacking and deeper 006 history

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  • A GoldenEye remake with updated hacking/AI and deeper 006 history is proposed; recasting with another Bond actor is raised without a settled answer. — Bill Simmons
1:33:10

Best Hang / Worst Hang

Best: Moneypenny; worst: Boris

Best: Moneypenny; worst: Boris

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  • Moneypenny wins best hang and Boris worst hang.
1:35:55

Is This Movie Better With…?

Zane Lowe interviewing Bond

Zane Lowe interviewing Bond

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  • Chris introduces Zane Lowe for Better With, imagining a reverent interview with Bond; the hosts enthusiastically endorse the impression and recall Lowe renting the Heat house. — Chris Ryan
1:38:05

Just One Oscar

Campbell; editing/effects; bungee stunt performer

Campbell; editing/effects; bungee stunt performer

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  • One-Oscar choices are Campbell, editing/effects and the bungee stunt performer. — Chris Ryan
1:38:17

Probably Unanswerable Questions

Bond’s breakups; Xenia’s squeeze; Joe Don Baker’s name

Bond’s breakups; Xenia’s squeeze; Joe Don Baker’s name

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  • Unanswerable questions ask how Bond leaves partners between films, with ghosting and interpretations of his male chemistry discussed as speculation. — Chris Ryan
  • The physical plausibility of Xenia’s lethal squeeze is debated without verification. — Bill Simmons
  • Joe Don Baker’s memorable name prompts proposed Don middle names and speculation about his name’s origin, followed by Wings Hauser.
1:44:27

What Piece of Memorabilia Would You Want From This Movie?

Nintendo 64 with GoldenEye; exploding pen; Aston Martin qualified

Nintendo 64 with GoldenEye; exploding pen; Aston Martin qualified

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  • Memorabilia choices are a working Nintendo 64 with GoldenEye and the pen; an Aston Martin is considered, while another host initially wants nothing.
1:45:03

The Coach Finstock Award for Best Life Lesson

Governments change, lies remain; half of everything is luck

Governments change, lies remain; half of everything is luck

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  • Life-lesson candidates are half of everything is luck and governments change but lies remain, with the latter strongly endorsed.
1:45:20

Best Double Feature

Moonraker; The Lawnmower Man
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  • Double-feature choices are Moonraker and The Lawnmower Man, linked to Bond excess and Brosnan/virtual-world themes.
1:47:06

Who Won the Movie?

Pierce Brosnan

Pierce Brosnan

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  • Brosnan receives the first choice. — Sean Fennessey
  • The choice receives explicit agreement. — Sean Fennessey
  • Another answer agrees on Brosnan while also making a case for the reinvigorated Bond franchise. — Sean Fennessey
Podcast choices
Speaker not identified
Pierce Brosnan
Speaker not identified
Pierce Brosnan
Speaker not identified
Pierce Brosnan
1:47:17

Producer review

Sillier and more enjoyable than expected

Sillier and more enjoyable than expected

In the discussion (4)
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  • A first viewing follows experience only with the Daniel Craig Bond films and proves both better and worse than expected. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Seeing Austin Powers first makes the original style being parodied feel odd. — Bill Simmons
  • The whimsical gadgets contrast with the darker Craig era, but the attractive cast, travel, casinos and spectacle provide enjoyable escapism. — Bill Simmons
  • The opening was restarted so Liz could join the viewing after the first twelve minutes. — Craig Horlbeck

More from the conversation

Bill introduces Sean and Chris with current television recommendations before GoldenEye.
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Favorite Bond films differ: Bill lists Goldfinger, The Spy Who Loved Me, GoldenEye and Casino Royale by era; others favor From Russia with Love or Skyfall and defend Moonraker. GoldenEye’s balance of silliness and seriousness is praised.
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The hosts recall discovering Bond through theatrical releases and television marathons, debate continuity theories and remember Connery’s shadow over successors.
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Mission: Impossible and Bourne are argued to have advanced stunts and techno-thrillers beyond Bond, prompting a more psychological Craig era and speculation about the next reinvention.
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Craig’s first Bond connection is the GoldenEye video game and its music; Chris and Sean recall multiplayer sessions, while Bill preferred sports games.
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The game is described as a turning point for mainstream console shooters and a legacy potentially larger than the film; numerical sales claims remain reported discussion.
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The six-year gap, MGM ownership problems and later Amazon deals prompt discussion of film-business journalism and the need to get a new Bond film right.
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Villeneuve’s stature and unrealized director possibilities are discussed; Bond is compared with major superhero roles as a career-changing booking.
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Jessie Buckley’s singing and Hamnet performance prompt a recommendation for Wild Rose and debate over the decade’s best actress performance, including Blanchett in Tár.
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GoldenEye is praised for checking classic Bond boxes amid Cold War changes, with an effective villain; Broccoli’s decline, original story, CGI and a female M are discussed.
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Judi Dench’s casting and the two female leads are praised. Xenia is a top-five/top-ten individual claim, not a complete ranked list; Scorupco’s limited later career is flagged.
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Favorite Bond women include Barbara Bach, Talisa Soto, Pussy Galore, Eva Green and Britt Ekland’s Mary Goodnight; the list is informal and changes size.
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Janssen’s Melrose Place, Rounders, The Faculty, X-Men and Taken roles are recalled, with GoldenEye’s performance singled out.
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Xenia’s name and the gadgets are compared with Austin Powers, which the hosts believe drew heavily from GoldenEye.
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Bean’s Bond audition, 006’s betrayal motive and historical backstory are discussed, with Game of Thrones comparisons and joking sympathy for anti-English villains.
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Multiple script drafts, similarities to True Lies and Mission: Impossible and the Cold War time jump are discussed as development history.
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The title song is criticized as a mismatch of Tina Turner with Bono’s register despite strong collaborators.
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Cruise/Hanks cumulative standings and possible guest appearances are discussed, including a future four-person studio.
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Hacker portrayals prompt Olyphant and Fisher Stevens comparisons and a Gone in 60 Seconds scouting digression.
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A Sheridan television digression covers spinoffs, Landman pacing and speculative AI use; the hosts explicitly lack knowledge of his writing process.
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A possible Bond month is hypothetical, followed by Roger Moore criticism and a reported Penn/Fox acting anecdote.
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The hosts endorse Bond as date-movie escapism and close with thanks; abbreviated producer mentions require identity review.
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