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New Jack City

1991 film

Bill Simmons · Van Lathan · Logan Murdock

Aired March 9, 2021

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New Jack City

Apex Mountain

Wesley Snipes; human bullet shields; New Jack swing; Chris Rock's movie career; Mario Van Peebles

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Approx. transcript time · 01:15:35Read transcript
  • Wesley Snipes: yes, because the movie's success opened doors; he had bigger moments but not greater ones, and it is his signature performance.
  • Allen Payne is left unsettled: he worked a long time after, including Jason's Lyric and The Perfect Storm, but this was his biggest deal.
  • Ice T: no.
  • Human bullet shields: yes, over Heat and The Dead Zone as the more recognizable example.
  • New Jack swing is offered as an Apex Mountain. — Logan Murdock
  • In hindsight the moment is called the height of the genre, since it got so big it made a movie title and Hollywood.
  • Guy: no; their big cameo cannot be their apex, and pressing the point draws teasing.
  • Chris Rock's movie career: yes; it is the best he has been in a movie and his most recognizable role, with Head of State jokingly floated as an Obama precursor.
  • Box haircuts: Fresh Prince might be up there, but the movie plus the 1991 playoffs may be the peak for high tops; a flat top was kept until 1994.
  • Mario Van Peebles: 100% his apex; nothing hinted he would make a $50 million movie; later came Posse and Panther and a role in Ali, and his father Melvin Van Peebles was the architect of blaxploitation.
  • Bill Nunn: no, it has to be Radio Rahim; Judd Nelson: no, with discussion deferred.
  • Color Me Bad: no, because of their 90210 episode and a number-one record.
  • Zoot suits are left unresolved, perhaps some 1940s film.
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Casting What-Ifs

Martin Lawrence as Pookie; Oran "Juice" Jones as G Money; Tupac Shakur as G Money; Vivica A. Fox; Michael Wright; Vanessa Williams

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Approx. transcript time · 00:54:46Read transcript
  • The best what-if was already mentioned: Martin Lawrence was cast as Pookie and had the job; one view says he would have been better than Chris Rock.
  • According to writer Cooper, Martin Lawrence opted out after his mentor Robin Harris died, and Chris Rock was the backup.
  • A garbled passage concerns someone turning down Ice T's part; Michael Wright is named and would have killed the part, reuniting later for Sugar Hill.
  • Vibica A. Fox (transcribed form) auditioned for Selina and Keisha but did a 90210 episode that year instead; she would have been great as Keisha, as Set It Off showed.
  • The Vanessa Williams married to Rick Fox would have been a great girlfriend for Nino.
  • Allen Payne was a replacement: Orange Juice Jones was cast as G Money, filmed scenes and was fired, per research; his "Walking in the Rain" is called very 80s.
  • Tupac Shakur auditioned for G Money but was judged too young-looking to have grown up with Snipes.
  • Tupac could be both aggressive and vulnerable, as Birdie in Above the Rim; it would have been interesting, though Allen Payne was perfect.
  • A case that Tupac should have been cast, rewritten as the best friend's younger brother, and would have been better.
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