Film credit
Sylvester Stallone
Also referred to as Sly Stallone, Stallone, Slash the Lone, Sly
Stats
- Episodes featuring their films
- 14
- Movies in this archive
- 16
Rewatchables episodes featuring Sylvester Stallone’s films
Creed
2015 film
Bill Simmons · Wesley Morris · Sean Fennessey · K. Austin Collins
Aired March 14, 2018
Mentioned in discussions
In the discussion (2)
- The initial Kurt Russell proposal receives explicit agreement. — Shea Serrano
- The producer’s earlier dislike of Stallone is recalled with a prison joke. — Bill Simmons
Podcast choices
- Speaker not identified
- Kurt Russell
- Speaker not identified
- Kurt Russell
In the discussion (1)
- Lockup continues 1989 Stallone-in-prison viewing; watching it second allows an imagined darker continuation in which Tango remains imprisoned. — Bill Simmons
Sequel, Prequel, Limited Series, or All-Black Remake
Prefer the original or a sequel, with an eight-episode Michael Mann version entertained.
In the discussion (3)
- The film initially seems impossible to remake or convert to prestige TV; Stallone’s sequel is the preferred alternative. — Bill Simmons
- Michael Mann is imagined making eight Heat-style episodes, with Tokyo Vice as precedent. — Shea Serrano
- Heat 2 is praised as a novel beginning after the film; delayed viewing of Heat and affection for the film transcribed Dana Thieves are recalled. — Shea Serrano
Apex Mountain
Most actors are rejected; the LA Chronicle and Lethal Weapon imitations are endorsed.
In the discussion (7)
- Stallone is rejected; Russell’s influence is placed later, around Tombstone and the Escape from LA sequel. — Bill Simmons
- No major actor seems at an apex: Face is countered with Maniac Cop and the henchman actor with 48 Hours. The film ranks highly as unintentional-comedy buddy-cop entertainment. — Bill Simmons
- The fictional Los Angeles Chronicle is endorsed for its many front pages. — Bill Simmons
- Lockup wins among Stallone prison films, with its muddy football game praised. — Bill Simmons
- The grunts, hanging, fighting and football power-I play are praised, with Stallone a believable athlete. — Bill Simmons
- Lethal Weapon rip-offs are endorsed; actor/character crossover moments are proposed with the overall apex unresolved. — Bill Simmons
- Last Action Hero’s Stallone-as-Terminator poster is a comparison, but the Rambo joke remains a strong candidate. — Bill Simmons
Half-Assed Internet Research
A sequel report, expanded henchmen, dangerous quarry shoot, heroin branding and a Danish joke are recounted.
In the discussion (5)
- A September 2019 report says Stallone has a sequel story and has spoken with Russell; the hosts want Netflix to fund it. — Bill Simmons
- Robert Zadar as Face and the Cockney henchman were given additional lines. — Bill Simmons
- The quarry climax is reported filmed in Irwindale with at least eleven cameras and single-attempt dangerous stunts. — Bill Simmons
- A dangerous Bronx heroin batch reportedly used the movie’s name, prompting police warnings. — Bill Simmons
- The hate-Danish line is explained as a dig at Brigitte Nielsen during divorce. — Bill Simmons
In the discussion (4)
- Producer Craig’s invited response finds Stallone’s comedy unsuccessful in contrast with his action roles; the other response strongly objects. — Craig Horlbeck
- Stallone’s awkward comedy may itself be entertaining. Willis is proposed, countered as another Cash rather than a Tango, then defended as capable of a rich suited character. — Bill Simmons
- Harrison Ford and Michael Douglas are proposed; Douglas lacks the desired physical size, while Ford has it.
- Schwarzenegger’s comic ability is disputed, and the final preference keeps Stallone. — Bill Simmons
Casting What-Ifs
Patrick Swayze reportedly left for Road House; both resulting casting choices are celebrated.
In the discussion (4)
- The script was originally The Setup; Swayze reportedly dropped out to make Roadhouse and Russell replaced him. — Bill Simmons
- Swayze here and Russell in Roadhouse is an appealing counterfactual, but both films are thought slightly worse in that swap, especially Russell’s leg-fighting credibility. — Bill Simmons
- The swap is compared with Van Damme leaving Predator for Bloodsport; Face and the Cockney henchman reportedly gained scenes during rewrites at Stallone’s request. — Bill Simmons
- Face’s broken-jaw recollection implies earlier clashes with Tango beyond the opening arrest; Stallone is reported to have fired the original cinematographer. — Shea Serrano
Most Rewatchable Scene
Prison arrival and the prison escape are distinct favorites among opening, torture, nightclub and final-fight candidates.
In the discussion (12)
- The opening highway truck stop is said to borrow from an unnamed Jackie Chan movie, with windshield action, a badge demand and cocaine revealed by gunfire. — Bill Simmons
- The Rambo insult breaks the actor/character boundary; a personal first encounter is compared to Vanilla Ice in Ninja Turtles 2 and Boys to Men on Fresh Prince.
- Jack Palance and his fellow villains drive by; the exaggerated villainy is compared with Brad Wesley in Roadhouse. — Bill Simmons
- The billion-dollar operation’s dark television-filled lair, tiny henchman crew and convenient villain drive-by make little sense. — Bill Simmons
- Desert scenery is compared with Another 48 Hours and Lethal Weapon. — Bill Simmons
- The trial, laundry-chute trip and prison electrocution are nominated; the apparent pain and obligatory Stallone groan are enjoyed. — Bill Simmons
- The prison escape includes apparent betrayal later revealed as help, a dead helper, a villain bossing guards, rain, a fan obstruction and an improbable cable jump. — Bill Simmons
- Huge survivable drops and the lavish strip club with Hatcher drumming lead to Cash evading police in a wig. — Bill Simmons
- The Cockney henchman is recalled from 48 Hours and its sequel; dangling him from a building and grenades echo other action films including Commando. — Bill Simmons
- The simultaneous final fights are praised as a device also used in Double Impact. — Bill Simmons
- The arrival at prison, with litter, fire and relentless jokes despite fear, is a favorite; another selection picks the escape. — Shea Serrano
- Cash being shot, chasing the assailant and confronting him at the station is recalled as an omitted scene candidate. — Bill Simmons
In the discussion (5)
- Jack Nicholson reportedly declined the colonel, and his version is imagined as darker and more uncomfortable. — Bill Simmons
- A claim that the Rocky star declined the role is treated skeptically. — Bill Simmons
- Philip Seymour Hoffman reportedly auditioned five times for George before the role became his break. — Bill Simmons
- The performance led Paul Thomas Anderson to write Scotty J. for Hoffman. — Bill Simmons
- Chris Rock sought the Charlie role and later argued that casting a Black student would have made the movie more interesting. — Chris Ryan
Producer review
Loved the movie, especially Stallone
In the discussion (1)
- The invited producer enthusiastically praises the film and heavier Stallone as his favorite element. — Craig Horlbeck
Apex Mountain
Pre-Sopranos Jersey cop scumbags
In the discussion (5)
- Stallone, Liotta and Mangold are each rejected for Apex here. — Bill Simmons
- Rapaport is near a strong run of Zebrahead, True Romance, Beautiful Girls, Kiss of Death and this film, but Beautiful Girls is preferred. — Bill Simmons
- Pre-comedy De Niro is considered, with Heat too close for a firm choice; the initially overstated 1997 output is corrected to Cop Land, Jackie Brown and Wag the Dog. — Sean Fennessey
- Emmerich is rejected here; The Truman Show and The Americans compete as his peak, with Pride and Glory also praised.
- Pre-Sopranos Jersey cop scumbags wins as the narrow affirmative topic, with no performer receiving a clear yes. — Bill Simmons
In the discussion (1)
Films in the archive
Cliffhanger
1993
Cobra
1986
Cop Land
1997
Creed
2015
Daylight
1996
First Blood
1982
Last Action Hero
1993
Over the Top
1987
Rambo: First Blood Part II
1985
Rocky
1976
Rocky II
1979
Rocky III
1982


