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Hardcore

year 1979decade 70sdirector Paul Schradergenre Crimegenre Thrillergenre Drama
host Bill Simmonshost Chris Ryanhost Sean Fennesseyproducer Craig Horlbeck theme Rock Bottom Month
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The Stephen A. Smith Hottest Take Award · 1:05:30

Jake’s producer potential

Hottest take: Jake could have succeeded as an adult-film producer; another jokingly defends Calvinism's repression and redemption framework.

Hottest take: borrowing this premise for 8 mmis acceptable after twenty years, and a modern internet version could work. Searching is offered as an existing computer-era counterpart.

The Coach Finstock Award for Best Life Lesson · 1:33:32

Avoid poorly supervised trips

Life lesson: do not send a daughter on a poorly supervised Calvinist trip; a darker joking alternative is not having a daughter.

The film

Hardcore (1979)

Directed by Paul Schrader · Crime

108 minutes

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Cast

Selected cast credits · Film reference

George C. Scott Jake Van Dorn
Peter Boyle Andy Mast
Dick Sargent Wes DeJong
Leonard Gaines Bill Ramada
Larry Block Detective Burrows
Marc Alaimo Ratan
Ilah Davis Kristen Van Dorn
Paul Marin Joe Van Dorn
Bobby Kosser Film Director
Will Walker Jim Jism Jim Sloan
Hal Williams Big Dick Blaque
James Helder John Van Dorn
Reb Brown Manager / Bouncer
Tracey Walter Adult Bookstore Clerk
Ed Begley Jr. Soldier
W. K. Stratton Porn Actor (uncredited)

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27:21

Roger Ebert's review
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  • Ebert awarded four stars while criticizing the satisfying ending for abandoning deeper possibilities; Siskel's separate rating was three-and-a-half stars. — Bill Simmons
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30:29

Most Rewatchable Scene

The theater reveal; Ramada’s office alternative

The theater reveal; Ramada’s office alternative

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  • Andy Mast's diner introduction is a scene nominee; his weekly fee and months of work prompt inflation and financing questions. The Grand Rapids family gathering and Kristen's friend establish repression and misdirect expectations. — Bill Simmons
  • The theater reveal is declared the best scene. Mast's theatrical surprise, discovery of the reel and delayed response to 'turn it off' are nitpicks. Scott's reaction and Mast's warning about wanting his daughter back expose unresolved forgiveness questions.
  • Great Shot Gordo: the distorted high-angle image of Scott losing his bearings and adult storefronts surrounding him convey immersion in the unfamiliar world. — Bill Simmons
  • The motel filming scene is praised as deliberately funny, especially the UCLA director, Scott's undercover look and dialogue; Serena's appearance prompts a biographical aside.
  • The seedy 1970s hotel setting is praised and linked to later homages such as True Romance. — Bill Simmons
  • Jake's Hollywood drive, ominous recurring score, shop admission and high camera angle are praised. CSNY's Helpless is singled out as an incongruously funny needle drop. — Bill Simmons
  • The auditions of Big Dick Black and Jism Jim are scene nominees, with exaggerated credentials, stage names and Scott reaching for a lamp praised for comedy.
  • Craig's text notes Jake's abrupt wig-and-shirt transformation; the panel asks why an unknown furniture maker needs a disguise and compares the look to Body Double. — Bill Simmons
  • Nikki and Jake's San Diego life talks and airport discussion of TULIP are praised for writing, chemistry and changing the film's energy.
  • Nikki's perspective and Hubley's comfort opposite Scott are praised; his softness in their scenes is distinctive.
  • The bondage-house wall breakthrough, slowed motion and green neon are memorable; the steep-hill fight and physical stunts are praised.
  • The theater reveal is selected again for its iconic impact; the first Mast meeting remains a favorite. Another choice shifts to Bill Ramada's office and right-man exchange, compared to The Big Lebowski's Ben Gazzara.
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32:15

Picking Nits

The reel discovery; Mast’s fees; short flight; public shooting; snuff film

The reel discovery; Mast’s fees; short flight; public shooting; snuff film

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  • The theater reveal is declared the best scene. Mast's theatrical surprise, discovery of the reel and delayed response to 'turn it off' are nitpicks. Scott's reaction and Mast's warning about wanting his daughter back expose unresolved forgiveness questions.
  • Craig's text notes Jake's abrupt wig-and-shirt transformation; the panel asks why an unknown furniture maker needs a disguise and compares the look to Body Double. — Bill Simmons
  • Nitpicks revisit Mast finding the reel and whether he is prolonging the case for fees; the panel concludes he is both skilled and milking the situation.
  • Nitpicks: flying from Los Angeles to San Diego rather than driving, and Mast shooting in a public street without evident consequences. His dropped ankle-holster gun is praised.
  • Nitpicks question whether the shown snuff film depicts a real killing; the panel corrects confusion that Kristen is the woman shown. — Bill Simmons
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36:46

The Great Shot Gordo Award for Most Cinematic Shot

Jake before the Hustler billboard; distorted theater image

Jake before the Hustler billboard; distorted theater image

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  • Great Shot Gordo: the distorted high-angle image of Scott losing his bearings and adult storefronts surrounding him convey immersion in the unfamiliar world. — Bill Simmons
  • Great Shot Gordo selects Jake before the Hustler 'think pink' billboard: Los Angeles color contrasts with muted Grand Rapids. — Chris Ryan
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40:00

The Slow Ride / Kid Cudi – Pursuit of Happiness Award for Best Needle Drop

Helpless by CSNY

Helpless by CSNY

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  • Jake's Hollywood drive, ominous recurring score, shop admission and high camera angle are praised. CSNY's Helpless is singled out as an incongruously funny needle drop. — Bill Simmons
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48:08

What’s Aged the Best?

Score; undercover Jake; poster; period interiors; runaway premise

Score; undercover Jake; poster; period interiors; runaway premise

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  • Aged best discussion begins with Scott's reported contractual drinking breaks, then praises Nitzsche's delayed score and Jake's undercover-producer scenes. — Bill Simmons
  • Aged best: the avenging-angel refrigerator sticker, the poster, Ed Begley Jr.'s early role, Hollywood hotel apartments, Mast's apartment and Midwestern wallpaper. The period is praised as fertile fictional ground for disappearances.
  • Trackdown is recommended as a related earlier film;1970 sfear narratives and limited missing-person infrastructure make the runaway premise effective. A joke qualifies any claim that finding people was uniquely difficult then.
  • Schrader reportedly wrote this alongside Taxi Driver using an extreme drug-and-sleep routine. Adult-industry research and backlash over associating the business with snuff films are discussed; the panel says both church and industry disliked the film. — Sean Fennessey
  • A quotation from Schrader introduces Scott's unhappiness during production. — Bill Simmons
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57:16

The Big Kahuna Burger Award for Best Use of Food and Drink

Calvinist family dinners

Calvinist family dinners

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  • Food award: the abundant Calvinist family dinners, turkey, sides and cake.
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57:55

The Butch’s Girlfriend Award for the Weakest Link in the Film

The ending

The ending

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  • Weak link: the ending, with explicit agreement. — Chris Ryan
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57:55

What’s Aged the Worst?

Chaperones; Kristen casting; father-daughter discomfort; personal-ad job; Beatty’s demands

Chaperones; Kristen casting; father-daughter discomfort; personal-ad job; Beatty’s demands

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  • Aged worst: irresponsible chaperones and Jake's unusually calm response to the disappearance.
  • Aged worst: Ilah Davis's casting and an uncomfortable father-daughter dynamic; sexual-abuse interpretations remain explicitly speculative rather than established story facts.
  • Aged worst: the imagined unpleasant work of taking adult personal advertisements, although the sequence is intentionally comic. — Chris Ryan
  • Casting what-if and aged worst: Warren Beatty reportedly wanted the missing daughter changed to a girlfriend, which the panel rejects as wrong for this story. His delayed Howard Hughes project is also discussed.
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1:00:55

Casting What-Ifs

Warren Beatty; Diana Scarwid; Marilyn Chambers

Warren Beatty; Diana Scarwid; Marilyn Chambers

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  • Casting what-if and aged worst: Warren Beatty reportedly wanted the missing daughter changed to a girlfriend, which the panel rejects as wrong for this story. His delayed Howard Hughes project is also discussed.
  • Casting what-if: The studio reportedly rejected Diana Scarwid; discussion then turns to casting Ilah Davis. The panel criticizes the rushed final father-daughter scene and argues Davis was not equipped for the rewritten demands.
  • Recasting couch: Melanie Griffith could handle Kristen's later scene, but would seem less innocent initially. Marilyn Chambers reportedly considered for Nikki; the panel still praises Hubley. — Sean Fennessey
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1:02:30

The Ruffalo / Hanna / Rubinek / Partridge Overacting Award

Auditioning performers; Scott’s reveal debated

Auditioning performers; Scott’s reveal debated

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  • Overacting: Scott's 'turn it off' moment is debated as excellent acting; the auditioning performers, especially the man offering to show his stuff, are nominated. — Bill Simmons
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1:04:21

Is There a Better Title for This Movie?

Keep Hardcore; The Pilgrim also praised

Keep Hardcore; The Pilgrim also praised

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  • Better title: keep Hardcore for its double meaning and trailer impact. Original title The Pilgrim is also praised; a Big Dick Black revenge sequel is a joke. — Bill Simmons
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1:05:30

The Neil McCauley “A Book about Metals” Award for Best Line from the Movie

Turn it off

Turn it off

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  • Most memorable quote: 'Turn it off.' — Chris Ryan
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1:05:30

The Stephen A. Smith Hottest Take Award

Jake’s producer potential; Calvinism; revisiting the premise

Jake’s producer potential; Calvinism; revisiting the premise

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  • Hottest take: Jake could have succeeded as an adult-film producer; another jokingly defends Calvinism's repression and redemption framework.
  • Hottest take: borrowing this premise for 8 mmis acceptable after twenty years, and a modern internet version could work. Searching is offered as an existing computer-era counterpart.
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1:09:27

Recasting Couch

Melanie Griffith as Kristen, with reservations

Melanie Griffith as Kristen, with reservations

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1:10:53

The Joey Pants “That Guy” Award

Reb Brown; Tracey Walter; Hal Williams; Ed Begley Jr.

Reb Brown; Tracey Walter; Hal Williams; Ed Begley Jr.

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1:12:55

The Dion Waiters Award for Best Heat Check Performance

Leonard Gaines as Bill Ramada

Leonard Gaines as Bill Ramada

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1:13:26

What Would Tony Romo’s Director’s Commentary for This Movie Sound Like?

Tony Romo

Tony Romo

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  • Director commentary choice: Tony Romo is preferred to Cris Collinsworth, with improvised football-commentary jokes.
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1:13:58

Half-Assed Internet Research

Milius criticism; locations; inspiration; Nikki/Iris theory; poster line

Milius criticism; locations; inspiration; Nikki/Iris theory; poster line

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  • Research: John Milius criticized Schrader's directing; Grand Rapids residents disliked the production. A local missing-girl story inspired the premise, and real adult-entertainment locations were reportedly difficult to secure. — Bill Simmons
  • Research: Hubley worked with adult performers; a Nikki-as-older-Taxi-Driver-Iris theory receives support as an interpretation. The poster's daughter line is reportedly absent from the film. — Sean Fennessey
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1:15:46

Apex Mountain

Season Hubley; theater rented to devastate a father; Calvinism/TULIP; seedy 1970s San Diego

Season Hubley; theater rented to devastate a father; Calvinism/TULIP; seedy 1970s San Diego

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  • Apex rejects Scott in favor of Patton, Schrader with American Gigolo and First Reformed debated, and Boyle with Everybody Loves Raymond suggested.
  • Apex explicitly affirms Season Hubley and renting a theater to ruin a father's life. Fake 1970 sadult films lose to Boogie Nights; Bellflower is only a qualified joke alternative to youth soccer tournaments. — Bill Simmons
  • Apex explicitly affirms explaining Calvinism to a sex worker, TULIP/Calvinism, and the seedy side of 1970 sSan Diego.
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1:18:13

Cruise or Hanks?

Tom Hanks for the better film; Cruise for comedy

Tom Hanks for the better film; Cruise for comedy

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  • Cruise or Hanks opens with a Cruise choice and disagreement; a future Ringer Movies channel and all-films comparison livestream are announced. — Bill Simmons
  • Cruise or Hanks: Hanks wins as the better film and more plausible repressed father; Cruise is repeatedly preferred for comic entertainment and the undercover-producer scenes. An initial Cruise choice remains dissent before clarification of the criterion.
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1:21:54

Best Race Horse Name from This Movie

Jism Jim

Jism Jim

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  • Racehorse/band/wrestler/fantasy name: Jism Jim, after correcting the reversed Jim Jism; they joke Craig is absent. — Bill Simmons
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1:26:36

Probably Unanswerable Questions

Jake’s obsession; a better ending without finding Kristen

Jake’s obsession; a better ending without finding Kristen

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  • Jake's persistence is interpreted through spiritual guilt, loneliness and repression; his marriage and daughter's rebellion are discussed speculatively, with an Ice Storm joke. — Sean Fennessey
  • Unanswerable: all agree the movie would improve if he never found his daughter; the studio-mandated rescue ending and unknown box office are discussed.
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1:28:02

Sequel, Prequel, Limited Series, or All-Black Remake

8mm; Jake stays in Los Angeles; Dairy King prequel

8mm; Jake stays in Los Angeles; Dairy King prequel

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  • Remake/sequel:8 mmis the effective remake; alternatives are Jake staying in Los Angeles to rival Ramada and a Ramada Dairy Queen-to-adult-film prequel called Dairy King. — Bill Simmons
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1:28:19

Is This Movie Better With…?

Byron Mayo

Byron Mayo

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  • Better with: Byron Mayo wins with agreement, imagined directing the films and encouraging Jake; a Wayne Jenkins impression is performed.
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1:29:24

Just One Oscar

George C. Scott

George C. Scott

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  • One Oscar: George C.Scott, with agreement and qualification about the strong awards year. — Bill Simmons
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1:31:15

Best Double Feature

8mm; Taxi Driver; Cat People

8mm; Taxi Driver; Cat People

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  • Double feature:8 mmis the clear choice, with Taxi Driver and Cat People alternatives. — Sean Fennessey
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1:31:43

The Andy and Red – Zihuatanejo Award for What Happens the Next Day?

Kristen leaves again; Jake stays involved in Los Angeles

Kristen leaves again; Jake stays involved in Los Angeles

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  • Next day: Kristen likely leaves again within two weeks; alternatives imagine Jake staying in Los Angeles or contacting Ramada. Ramada's wealth and a Godfather adult-industry storyline are speculative jokes.
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1:32:57

What Piece of Memorabilia Would You Want From This Movie?

Fake mustache and wig; Cutlass

Fake mustache and wig; Cutlass

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  • Memorabilia: Jake's fake mustache and wig or the Cutlass; the film reel is immediately rejected as undesirable. — Bill Simmons
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1:33:32

The Coach Finstock Award for Best Life Lesson

Avoid poorly supervised trips

Avoid poorly supervised trips

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  • Life lesson: do not send a daughter on a poorly supervised Calvinist trip; a darker joking alternative is not having a daughter.
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1:34:04

Who Won the Movie?

Paul Schrader (2); George C. Scott (1)

Paul Schrader (2); George C. Scott (1)

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  • Who won: Schrader is proposed; a distinct George C.Scott choice cites his performance and the enduring meme. Seedy late 1970 scities are then floated as a playful alternative. — Sean Fennessey
  • Who won: the cities proposer settles on Schrader, and another explicitly agrees with Schrader while appreciating the Scott argument.
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1:35:05

The Rick Dalton Award for the Greatest Fucking Acting I’ve Ever Seen

Scott’s turn-it-off scene

Scott’s turn-it-off scene

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  • Rick Dalton acting award: Scott's 'turn it off' scene receives explicit greatest-acting agreement.
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Hardcore is explicitly the final Rock Bottom Month episode, ending the theme a week early before a return to lighter films.
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The film is Schrader's second directed feature and second director credit covered after American Gigolo, with Taxi Driver a writing credit; Auto Focus and Blue Collar are discussed as other possibilities.
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A tough-beat-father pantheon pairs Death Wish and Hardcore, adding Taken, Ransom, Monster's Ball and Mystic River; the appeal is imagining how a parent reacts to a child's danger.
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The film is placed among grimy late 1970 sunderworld stories such as Cruising and Taxi Driver, with 8 mma close descendant. The panel connects the setting to post 1960 ssocial change and argues that the film may exaggerate how alien public adult entertainment was at the time.
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Pre-video adult theaters, peep shows and later video-store back rooms are contrasted with today's private access; personal memories emphasize how ordinary those storefronts once seemed.
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Ebert's framing of Schrader as a filmmaker of values in conflict with society introduces an autobiographical interpretation: the father represents Schrader's dad pursuing the son who left Calvinist Grand Rapids for Los Angeles. The Searchers structure combines classical storytelling, spirituality and exploitation.
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Schrader's criticism and interest in other filmmakers are discussed; George C.Scott's active father differs from the solitary, journaling protagonists of his recent films.
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Tarantino's Cinema Speculation praises the first hour but faults the snuff-film/action turn and ending; one panelist still enjoys it. Schrader's original ending reportedly had the daughter die in an unrelated car accident.
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The original ending reportedly brought Nikki home as a surrogate daughter. Season Hubley's strong performance and later career are discussed; her withdrawal from acting and an online autograph anecdote remain panel claims.
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Scott's awards and reputation for drinking and volatile behavior are discussed through a biography and a 1971 Time article. The panel praises performances while criticizing the article's softening of reported violence and abuse.
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Scott's restrained furniture maker contrasts with his explosive reputation. A Time quotation discusses Patton absences and producer indulgence; Schrader recalled Scott praising his writing and insulting his directing, while Huston distinguished the actor from the man.
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The panel considers how productions reward difficult actors' intensity without excusing abuse; Nicolas Cage is a qualified comparison. Scott reportedly demanded that Schrader promise never to direct again.
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Jack Nitzsche's score, Paul Sylbert's production design and Tom Rolf's editing are discussed alongside the film's Taxi Driver production connections.
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Peter Boyle's 1970 srange and funny private investigator Andy Mast prompt spinoff ideas for Mast, Nikki, Bill Ramada and the two adult-film producers.
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Pauline Kael's criticism prompts discussion of the film's viewpoint: the father's horror gradually gives way to unexplained numbness toward the environment.
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Personal college adult-store recollections lead into the film's incongruous Neil Young needle drop.
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Scott's later supporting roles and seemingly ageless older appearance prompt speculation about whether he became happier.
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Searching's related follow-up is discussed as another variation without this film's humor or adventure.
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The panel returns to joking over Jism Jim versus Jim Jism as a family name.
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Rock Bottom Month ends; Sex, Lies, and Videotape and American History X are potential future episodes. A proposed basketball-scene video is future channel brainstorming.
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Closing thanks name Jack Sanders and Craig Horlbeck as producers, with a normal movie promised next week.
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