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Scream The Rewatchables
Scream

Who Won the Movie?

Matthew Lillard; The Mask; the horror genre; Wes Craven

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Approx. transcript time · 01:16:38Read transcript
  • For the first time in eight or nine episodes the hosts do not know who won the movie, so they go around the circle.
  • Picks the mask, and did not know the story of the filmmakers happening upon it, which seems like fate. — K. Austin Collins
  • The mask pick is praised as a top-critic answer; another goes with Lillard for what he did in every part, which made every later Lillard appearance, like She's All That, worth watching and even got a host to Summer Catch.
  • Picks the horror genre, revitalized and given a new appreciation writ large through the self-referential movie that sent people back to Halloween, Freddy and Friday the 13th. — Jason Concepcion
  • Wes Craven is offered for a specific reason, but it is not counted as a ballot because the 'But who's your winner?' that follows in 242 may be pressing the same voice, who then answers Lillard in 243: a professorial, sweet man typecast as a horror director, he used the leverage of Scream and Scream 2 with Miramax to make the sincere drama he had waited decades for, Music of the Heart, for which Meryl Streep got an Oscar nomination.
  • The last pick is Matthew Lillard, joining the earlier Lillard vote; rewatching, this host was stunned by how good he was, going to another level in a part that could have been merely fine and blowing people off the screen.
  • Lillard's pod with Andy and Chris about his career makes it sadder that the dominant guy in a $300 million movie that launched the horror revival did not go further; he never returns for the sequels and is uncredited in part two, pulling a Winkler.
  • The right movie for him might have been 13 Ghosts or a buddy cop film as the zany Martin Lawrence part, though he may be too good and suited to a wilder vibe; Twin Peaks reminded people of his energy, and whether the TV on his head officially killed him is doubted, leaving room for a return in a remake.
  • Earlier, Lillard is flagged as more in the Who Won the Movie conversation than expected, J.R. Smithian in his willingness to overperform.
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Scream The Rewatchables
Scream

Picking Nits

Cell phone reception; thin evidence clearing the boyfriend; the speed of the opening disemboweling; Drew Barrymore's character not calling the cops; the cameraman on the roof; the voice disguiser and cloned phone; waiting a year to kill again; a party a week after the murders; the parents splitting up; where to stab each other; Billy seemingly trying to kill his partner; explaining the corn syrup

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Approx. transcript time · 00:59:00Read transcript
  • The cell phone reception problem is restated, and more evidence than one call was wanted before Sidney stops suspecting her boyfriend, who turns up randomly while the other killer is chasing her.
  • Wonders how the boyfriend was disemboweled so quickly in the opening, when the killer is barely seen. — K. Austin Collins
  • The disemboweling looks less like a slit across the gut than a velociraptor clawing at him, a little fast for the work involved.
  • Two nits: Drew Barrymore's character agreeing not to call the cops, and Matthew Lillard's character killing the 240-pound cameraman and getting him onto the roof before Gail drives off, which is not believable. — Shea Serrano
  • The reply is that Skeet's character was still upstairs and must have been involved, since he walks down the stairs when she runs back inside, or that Lillard had taken eight bath salts for superhuman strength.
  • How the voice disguiser works and how high school kids got it is questioned; the voice belongs to a separately cast actor, originally a placeholder they liked enough to keep, and cloning the cell phone seems beyond a seventeen-year-old without time at Radio Shack, though they did have a whole year.
  • Whether killers could lay off for a year is doubted; once the line is crossed you might as well start killing everybody, and Skeet's character is as petty as the hosts for waiting a year to insult Sidney's mother; the Green River Killer is noted to have laid off for ten years.
  • A parent's nit: a week after the first murders, with the killer not found, everybody goes to a huge party; the rationale offered is that wine-country parents are drunk at a tasting and the killer only kills high school kids.
  • Walking in on their daughter hanging from a tree with the house on fire is about as tough a way to see a child go as there is; a small nit is the husband sending his wife outside alone to drive to the police, splitting up and breaking a core horror rule, though a movie about the parents would be watched.
  • Asked, as the resident prison-movie expert, where to be stabbed to look left for dead: avoid the nipples area, where the important stuff is, and take it lower, preferably on the side. — Shea Serrano
  • Alternatives are debated: the kidney is not the target because the wound must look serious, an arm or hand stab would not look like being left for dead, and the movie's killers aim for the sides.
  • A theory that Billy is actually trying to kill Matthew Lillard's character, stabbing him four or five times off camera, is called great and unspoken; it fits Lillard being there for peer pressure while Billy is the sociopath, and the phone to the head is the one moment that made a host wince.
  • Final stabbing preferences: a high left shoulder and a grazed neck for blood, though nobody trusts Skeet Ulrich near their neck, the legs are too minor to look near death, and the whole plan should have been nixed in favour of hiding in a closet.
  • How Billy Loomis would explain being covered in corn syrup to the police is asked; a good cop would notice it is not blood, but Dewey, whose brain damage is established, can barely find the doorknob.
Scream The Rewatchables
Scream

Apex Mountain

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Approx. transcript time · 00:47:10Read transcript
  • Wes Craven could be argued but Elm Street is still his Apex Mountain; his amazing career spans the three stages of late-century horror, from Hills Have Eyes and Last House on the Left to creating Freddy and reinventing the genre in the nineties, and he is underrated, on a Mount Rushmore with Tobey Hooper (as transcribed), George Romero and John Carpenter; the movie still moves today.
  • Completely agrees, finds the thought sad, and wonders what to do when John Carpenter dies. — K. Austin Collins
  • The coming Halloween remake with Jamie Lee Curtis is asking audiences to forget some sequels, like Rocky Balboa waving off Rocky V, which is what 48 Hours should have done.
  • A confession that Nightmare on Elm Street was a shitty movie meets a fan of the first two and Dream Warriors; Heather Langenkamp is dismissed, and Wes Craven's New Nightmare, the meta Freddy movie, failed just before this, leaving Scream as a bit of a last gasp for his career.
  • Neve Campbell's nominees are this or the intervention scene with Bailey in Party of Five.
  • Asked to decide, goes with the Party of Five intervention over Scream. — K. Austin Collins
  • Another feels the same way about the intervention, called the saddest hour in television history with Bailey as the rock of the family, and it stands even against Scream's $290 million.
  • Skeet Ulrich is clearly at his Apex, with nothing else competing; he was in As Good as It Gets, went a couple of rounds with Jericho, and is now known to kids as Riverdale's Skeet Ulrich.
  • A tangent on Skeet Ulrich's first name becoming slang, popularized by Dave Chappelle, and whether his stage name was a bad choice slides into a crude callback to the Silence of the Lambs episode's Migs discussion.
  • Reader Howard from Calgary writes that Stuart Rudin, who played Migs, was in Sticky Fingers and has an IMDb of homeless men, winos and patients; Migs was his Apex Mountain, and listeners are invited to the mailbag.
  • Matthew Lillard: it has got to be, with SLC Punk raised; considering how good he is in Scream, this is his Apex.
  • Jamie Kennedy was forced on the culture with an MTV show after this and never took; his Apex Mountain is definitively dating Jennifer Love Hewitt, an achievement rather than a performance, which leads to a tangent on why women disliked her.
  • For David Arquette the reminder is that he held the WCW heavyweight title, a movie tie-in, the belt once held by Ric Flair.
  • Asked to decide, calls this absolutely David Arquette's Apex. — Shea Serrano
  • Eight Legged Freaks is also raised for Arquette; Rose McGowan is a no, her later weirdness and dating Marilyn Manson jokingly called her apex, though she had a cool indie career, the Rodriguez Grindhouse movie with the gun leg, and is now a filmmaker and activist.
  • Courtney Cox is first a no, since it has got to be Friends and you cannot get higher; one voice later counters, unresolved, that the combination is her apex, since this came out during Friends season three when Monica was dismissed as having no personality and showed she could be the bitch too; her later characters are more Gail Weathers than Monica.
  • She reportedly pursued the role to play someone not traditionally nice and to get punched in the face; her later sitcoms were Dirt and the Bill Lawrence show about people in LA drinking wine, whose title nobody can remember.
  • Henry Winkler is joked to have been the mountain itself.
  • Earlier, while praising the cast, Drew Barrymore is followed by the garbled phrase 'I'd heard, like, Mad Love Apex' (as transcribed).
Scream The Rewatchables
Scream

The Dion Waiters Award for Best Heat Check Performance

In the discussion (4)
Approx. transcript time · 00:43:59Read transcript
  • The award is treated as a wrap that needs only the charade of walking through it; Henry Winkler is joked to have had his heat check at the premiere telling everyone he was uncredited, and Jamie Kennedy is named.
  • Whether Matthew Lillard is a role player or the star is asked; on reflection he is the most exciting thing in the movie, not the best performance but really going for it and hilarious, and his 'your daddy's the chief suspect' clip is played.
  • His interview on The Watch with Chris and Andy, where he said he thought he was hot and then his career fizzled after Scooby-Doo, makes the performance elegiac; his face does things, as on Twin Peaks, like a kid in a Norman Rockwell painting, with eye bulges, frowns and finger pointing making him a really weird performer.
  • He is declared the winner of the award; he counts as a role player, in maybe a third to forty percent of the movie; the award should be renamed the Henry Winkler Award, or a separate award for unplaceable arrogance, the Kobe Award.
Scream The Rewatchables
Scream

What’s Aged the Best?

The Ghostface mask; the opening scene; the Halloween homages; two high school kids as the killers; the fame-seeking Courtney Cox reporter as a nineties artifact; the video store; the cell phone

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Approx. transcript time · 00:27:42Read transcript
  • The mask is amazing and still kind of scary, the droopy ghost that turns up every Halloween among the trick-or-treaters; whoever looked at all the candidate masks and chose it deserves an Oscar.
  • The mask resembles Munch's painting The Scream, yet the movie was called Scary Movie through production until months before release, so the match between title and mask is a strange coincidence.
  • The opening scene has aged stupendously and all still works, though its dependence on a landline stuck out and is deferred to the worst list; the Halloween references have aged nicely, Billy Loomis as a homage to Dr. Loomis and the line about running to the McKenzies, and the last forty minutes play the whole Halloween movie.
  • Two high school kids rather than an adult turning out to be the serial killers was something nobody was thinking about in 1996; their confession to killing Sidney's mother and calling her a whore got dark.
  • Reportedly the makers could not settle the killers' motive, split between something personal involving Billy's father and Sidney's mother and the idea that no motive is scarier, so they did both, which leaves Matthew Lillard's character joining out of peer pressure.
  • The killers get mock respect for killing the mother and waiting a whole year, incredible dedication for seventeen-year-olds in a plot that makes no sense.
  • The Courtney Cox reporter trying to turn the murders into a book and fame is dated but has aged nicely because that was how you became famous in the nineties, before sex tapes and YouTube; she seems a collage of people involved in crimes rather than based on anyone.
  • Loved that a video store employee is a key part of the movie; video stores were an important part of the moviegoing experience and of movies themselves from 1993 to 1997. — Sean Fennessey
  • The Quentin Tarantino video store stories are recalled, video stores are nostalgic now, and the town's curfew sending everybody to the video store at four is a fun idea; the cell phone itself is thought to have aged well because hardly anyone had one in 1996.
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Scream

Most Rewatchable Scene

The opening twelve minutes with Drew Barrymore

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Approx. transcript time · 00:11:18Read transcript
  • The twelve-minute scene at the top is proposed as the most rewatchable scene and its clip is played; the ending and the Rose McGowan garage door death are arguable alternatives, but as a pure, well-done piece of art the first twelve minutes are called way up there for a horror movie.
  • Calls the opening fantastic and recalls that this was a first horror movie. — K. Austin Collins
  • The actor who played the boyfriend Steve was found in research to have been up for the Skeet Ulrich part; he took the wordless role instead, a performance joked to be all in the eyes.
  • The movie taught a host what Jiffy Pop was, and the popcorn timing what is going on is called genius; Drew Barrymore being dragged to her death while moaning into the phone as her parents hear is a nightmare-inducing touch.
  • The movie had to display a mastery of the form in its first twelve minutes for the self-referential rest to work; the killer's phone quiz, in which Drew Barrymore's character wrongly names Jason as the Friday the 13th killer, is a common mistake that makes the audience feel in on it together.
  • The opening is called a slam dunk, yet Jamie Kennedy's character laying out the rules while the party watches Halloween is offered as one more candidate and is never formally ruled out, and the clip is played: no sex, no drinking or drugs, never say 'I'll be right back'.
  • The rules monologue is a crazy meta moment and the format of one host's articles; one has always held it against the franchise that the character does not die until the second movie, though he would have been a prime suspect; the rules as stated are recited, including everyone is a suspect, with Halloween's never-be-curious rule as an addition, and the rules had legs, since people discussed them at scary movies afterwards.
  • The last twenty minutes are lights out: from the moment Sidney gets the gun, Matthew Lillard and Jamie Kennedy's characters stumbling toward her and blaming each other, and the killers stabbing each other in the kitchen, make a phenomenal six minutes.
  • Had no clue how the movie would end, watching it on a high school date with a girl who had already seen it; thought Billy was dead when he was stabbed, and the two-killer twist was the first surprise twist to really shake this viewer. — Shea Serrano
  • Earlier, the opening is timed at twelve minutes and called spectacular, in the conversation for the great best first scenes, with the death kept secret in 1996.
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