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Kramer vs. Kramer

105 minutes

Cast

Selected cast credits · Film reference

Dustin Hoffman Ted Kramer
Meryl Streep Joanna Kramer
Justin Henry Billy Kramer
Jane Alexander Margaret Phelps
Howard Duff John Shaunessy
George Coe Jim O'Connor
JoBeth Williams Phyllis Bernard

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Top Ten List

1979 box-office top ten, led by Kramer vs. Kramer

In the discussion (3)
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  • The 1979 box-office chart is read as a countdown from number ten: The Muppet Movie, Moonraker, The Jerk, 10, Apocalypse Now, Alien, Star Trek: The Motion Picture, Rocky II and The Amityville Horror at number two.
  • Kramer vs. Kramer was number one, reportedly earning at least $20 million more than every other film on the list.
  • The list is used to argue that a quiet domestic drama outgrossing an iconic war movie, horror movie, comedy and sports sequel is astonishing; a guess of eleventh to twentieth place would have seemed more plausible.

Roger Ebert's review

In the discussion (3)
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  • The review is reported as four stars.
  • The quoted review says the film is touching because personalities seem to change and decisions seem to be made as viewers watch; it is described as a long, glowing review.
  • The critic is joked to be on a run of positive takes across recent Rewatchables episodes.

Casting What-Ifs

James Caan, Al Pacino and Jon Voight for Ted; Kate Jackson, Faye Dunaway and Jane Fonda for Joanna; Gail Strickland as Margaret

In the discussion (9)
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  • Hoffman initially did not want the role, and James Caan reportedly declined over fears the film would flop.
  • Al Pacino reportedly turned it down as not right for him; seeing him in the role would have been welcome.
  • Jon Voight reportedly declined because he was already in The Champ, another divorced-parent story whose ending is called one of the saddest.
  • Hoffman changed his mind after meeting Jaffe and Benton in a London hotel.
  • By her own claim, Kate Jackson was offered Joanna but could not take it because of Charlie's Angels; the story is treated as only mostly true.
  • Faye Dunaway was reportedly offered the role and did The Champ instead; Jane Fonda, earlier said to have been talked about for the role, is mentioned again; Ali MacGraw is named only with the judgment that she would have butchered it, without saying she was considered.
  • Streep was originally meant for the JoBeth Williams role before being cast as Joanna.
  • Gail Strickland was cast as Margaret but reportedly fired after Hoffman taunted her on set, and Jane Alexander replaced her.
  • Earlier, a Kate Jackson version of Joanna is dismissed as unable to reach Streep's level, with casting what-ifs promised for later.

Recasting Couch

Burt Lancaster or George C. Scott in Howard Duff's lawyer role

In the discussion (2)
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  • The lawyers are the one place the film could have cast bigger; James Mason as in The Verdict is floated as possible double duty for Joanna's side.
  • Howard Duff is described as a discount Burt Lancaster, so Lancaster himself, a barrel-chested, deep-voiced courtroom presence, is proposed; George C. Scott is another option.

Half-Assed Internet Research

Avery Corman novel; darkened nude scene; Justin Henry improvising at seven; Library of Congress omission; J.G. Melon location; Streep pregnant during filming

In the discussion (6)
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  • The source novel was by Avery Corman, and Jaffe and Benton bought it.
  • The JoBeth Williams nude scene was optically darkened to avoid an R rating.
  • Justin Henry was seven when filming began and improvised a lot with Hoffman, who was reportedly nice to him.
  • As of 2020 it was reportedly the only 1970s Best Picture winner not selected by the Library of Congress for preservation, which puzzles the hosts.
  • The wine-glass scene was filmed at J.G. Melon on East 74th Street and Third Avenue, which displays a framed photo from the film.
  • Streep was reportedly pregnant during filming, hidden by a raincoat, having met the sculptor Gummer shortly after John Cazale died.

Picking Nits

Ted not knowing Billy's grade; unattended jungle gym; Christmas firing; cross-examination attacking Ted's career; Joanna watching from the cafe window; Ted not recognizing Joanna's voice; Billy sleeping through fights; French toast without cinnamon

In the discussion (10)
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  • Ted not knowing what grade his son is in is called the dumbest, most ludicrous moment, even as a signal of self-absorption.
  • Any parent would get a child down once he climbs the jungle gym holding an object.
  • Firing Ted just before Christmas is hard to buy; a company would not do that rather than wait until mid-January.
  • Anything else is declined, but several scenes, especially the firing, seem designed to create narrative tension in a way that strains belief. — Sean Fennessey
  • The cafe would likely ask Joanna to stop pressing against its window, and Ted failing to recognize his former wife's voice on the phone is called insane.
  • The biggest nit is how Billy sleeps through every shouting match in the apartment; this is rebutted as realistic because young children, unlike babies, sleep through anything.
  • The cross-examination is called the film's fatal flaw: attacking Ted's career when he struggles because he is caring for his son would be a merit in family court, and it strains credulity.
  • Ted never angrily points out on the stand that Joanna left and he cared for Billy for 15 months; a devil's advocate reply says the unfairness is the emotional point.
  • Jane Alexander's character is blamed for letting Billy fall from the jungle gym while telling her story, and joked to be a plant for Joanna.
  • The French toast has no cinnamon or vanilla.

Probably Unanswerable Questions

What was first on Ted's list; did Ted and Phyllis have dinner; Billy's future with fried chicken; Norman's future; Ted's actual job; how long until Joanna changed her mind again

In the discussion (8)
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  • The first item on Ted's pro-con list is hidden by his pen but visible in another shot as money; the pro column is empty because Billy himself is the pro.
  • Jokes follow about extra cons in a director's cut and about Phyllis walking into the hallway naked.
  • Whether Ted and Phyllis actually had dinner is questioned, given the ashtray and flat wine by the bed.
  • Whether Billy's future romances all revolved around fried chicken after meeting Phyllis is asked.
  • Norman's future after being put on the big account is imagined as bright.
  • What Ted actually does is unclear, creative director or vice president; his portfolio suggests a Don Draper-type role.
  • How long until Joanna changed her mind again, perhaps by the time she got upstairs, is previewed as an unanswerable question.
  • Whether Jane Alexander's character was really a good friend is noted as another unanswered question.