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Peter LaFleur sucks

Peter is criticized for apathy, uncollected fees, accepting a bribe, sexual harassment, drinking and letting others push his car; the gym seems unsafe and worthy of foreclosure.

The defense is that he gives misfits a welcoming place, but the criticism remains that he says the right things without being a good person to spend time with.

Bet on yourself (joke)

Craig Horlbeck: Betting a hundred thousand on one’s own fifty-to-one team is the joking lesson.

The film

Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story (2004)

Directed by Rawson Marshall Thurber · Sports

92 minutes

Cast

Selected cast credits · Film reference

Vince Vaughn Peter La Fleur
Ben Stiller White Goodman
Christine Taylor Kate Veatch
Gary Cole Cotton McKnight
Rip Torn Patches O'Houlihan
Hank Azaria Young Patches
Missi Pyle Fran Stalinovskovichdaviddivichski
Alan Tudyk Steve the Pirate
Justin Long Justin Redman
Stephen Root Gordon Pibb
Chris Williams Dwight Baumgarten
Joel David Moore Owen Dittman
Jamal Duff Me'Shell Jones
Jason Bateman Pepper Brooks
Al Kaplon The Referee
William Shatner The Dodgeball Chancellor
Curtis Armstrong Mr. Ralph
Suzy Nakamura Gordon's wife
Patton Oswalt Video voices
Lance Armstrong Himself
Chuck Norris Himself

Everything from the episode

In the order the hosts got to it. Open a row for the discussion.

5:35

Picking Nits

Prize taxes; gym valuation; bank service; Patches’s age; timeline; uniforms; double fault; betting

Prize taxes; gym valuation; bank service; Patches’s age; timeline; uniforms; double fault; betting

In the discussion (10)
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  • The director’s drink-throwing cameo has such good aim he should join the team; mocking a costumed pirate seems especially odd in Las Vegas. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Goodman tanning fully clothed would leave terrible tan lines. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Fifty-to-one championship odds and a sportsbook accepting a hundred-thousand-dollar wager from a participating captain seem implausible. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Taxes on the fifty-thousand-dollar prize would leave the team short, and two million dollars seems insufficient to buy control of a large gym chain. — Craig Horlbeck
  • A bank sending a person to help a small business with paperwork seems implausible today; Average Joe’s is debated as run-down versus surprisingly busy, clean and adequately equipped. — Craig Horlbeck
  • The1954training film would make Patches roughly ninety; Goodman’s1987flashback plus six years implies1993, conflicting with Armstrong’s later wins. — Craig Horlbeck
  • The new uniforms resemble the earlier qualifier shirts so closely they might simply have been washed; existing gym or softball shirts are a possible explanation. — Craig Horlbeck
  • The final double-fault rule is unresolved: Goodman stepping over the line should seemingly void his throw rather than force sudden death, and Peter never visibly crosses. — Craig Horlbeck
  • The sportsbook wager is again challenged, and Peter’s passivity makes his business ownership implausible; inherited wealth is jokingly suggested for him too. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Peter enters Kate’s house uninvited, while Kate later enters his hotel room without a key; an already-open door is the proposed explanation. — Craig Horlbeck
16:31

Roger Ebert's review

In the discussion (1)
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  • Ebert gave three stars in a brief review emphasizing the silly, zany comedy. — Craig Horlbeck
18:53

Most Rewatchable Scene

Final match from Armstrong’s pep talk; wrench-and-traffic training montage

Final match from Armstrong’s pep talk; wrench-and-traffic training montage

In the discussion (14)
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  • The opening Globo Gym commercial and montage establish the premise efficiently, and the rapid customer introductions give each underdog a distinct trait. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Steve the Pirate’s laugh and convincing pirate manner are highlights. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Peter’s porn-return reminder ending with Mona Lisa Smile is singled out as an enduring joke; Patton Oswalt supplies the reminder and pizza voices. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Goodman’s nipple stimulation, crotch pump and dictionary performance form a memorable introduction; Kate immediately exposes his pretensions. — Craig Horlbeck
  • The Girl Scout qualifier’s beaver-tranquilizer and steroid reveal, including the disqualified girl’s late appearance, is praised. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Goodman interrupting the bar celebration is a preferred scene, with the Nazi-camp comeback and his height adding comedy. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Fran’s nuclear-power-plant backstory and killing the man beside the jukebox are highlights; Blade, Laser and Blazer remain everyday quoted names. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Goodman knocking a heavily laden waitress into a table adds physical chaos to the team introduction. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Patches’s training, the sack of assorted wrenches and the painful sound of Justin’s face impact are praised; lingering on his pain recalls Terry Tate. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Dodging traffic, Gordon being hit by two cars and Kate joining under Patches’s Billy Jean King assumption are highlights. — Craig Horlbeck
  • The Vegas matches add the S&M uniform swap and German-team/Hasselhoff cameo. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Gordon’s angry transformation genuinely inspires one response; Root’s coordinated movement makes the athletic turn convincing. — Craig Horlbeck
  • The finale includes Armstrong’s pep talk, Let Them Play, the three-player catching swing and sudden death. — Craig Horlbeck
  • The final match beginning with Armstrong is the main choice, with announcer calls adding rewatch value; the wrench-and-traffic training montage is another preference.
22:59

Half-Assed Internet Research

Dodgeball boom; physical injuries; Torn’s behavior; sports camera crew; uniforms; cast nightlife; Fran concept

Dodgeball boom; physical injuries; Torn’s behavior; sports camera crew; uniforms; cast nightlife; Fran concept

In the discussion (8)
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  • Justin Long reportedly suffered temporary vision loss from repeated real dodgeball impacts; the filmmakers said hits required actual thrown balls. — Craig Horlbeck
  • The film reportedly triggered a nationwide dodgeball-league boom. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Training produced ankle injuries and possible concussions; Stiller hit Taylor in the face, and machines fired balls at actors. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Torn reportedly needed coaxing, was mean to Long and repeatedly left set despite a handler; his distracted final encouragement is debated as either funny or insufficiently in character. — Craig Horlbeck
  • The tournament was shot at Cabrillo High School with sports camera operators, making the elementary-school game feel genuinely exciting. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Average Joe’s uniforms were modeled on Hoosiers. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Audience extras reportedly included work-release or halfway-program participants; Vaughn bonded the cast through late strip-club outings and reportedly paid Williams to stay out. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Fran was originally conceived as a Fembot-like robot. — Craig Horlbeck
31:33

What’s Aged the Best?

The Ocho; Globo Gym; White Goodman; opening montage; Gordon’s workouts; short runtime

The Ocho; Globo Gym; White Goodman; opening montage; Gordon’s workouts; short runtime

In the discussion (10)
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  • ESPN’s tournament sponsorship lends credibility; Fox reportedly declined before ESPN agreed, and The Ocho remains a strong choice. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Globo Gym resembles Equinox or Gold’s Gym with wealthy, muscular customers, tanning and exaggerated cosmetic services. — Craig Horlbeck
  • White Goodman is an excellent villain name close to Shooter McGavin. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Commercial/montage openings and Gordon’s keep-the-body-guessing workout routine remain funny. — Craig Horlbeck
  • The tight92-minute runtime has no obvious expendable scenes and compares favorably with longer modern films.
  • Peter’s low-expectation philosophy feels more relatable at thirty than at eleven, though his indifference to losing the gym goes too far. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Training by dodging wrenches is considered an exceptionally brilliant comic concept. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Long’s repeated physical punishment and initial entanglement in exercise equipment show extraordinary comic skill. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Kate’s bisexuality reveal is considered to have aged well and provided an early introduction for younger viewers. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Goodman’s pizza-in-his-pants scene, Michelle’s reaction, Cotton and Pepper and the post-credit scene retain their appeal. — Craig Horlbeck
36:36

The most 2004 thing

Lance Armstrong; Milkshake; Chuck Norris; taint/grundle jokes

Lance Armstrong; Milkshake; Chuck Norris; taint/grundle jokes

In the discussion (5)
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  • Armstrong as a perseverance icon belongs to the height of Livestrong bracelets and his Tour de France winning streak. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Kelis’s Milkshake is a defining2004 reference that sounds suited to a later TikTok revival.
  • Norris as a judge captures his pop-cultural joke status; he reportedly arrived and left by helicopter after initially worrying about being mocked. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Grundle and taint jokes recall the vocabulary of college comedy in that period. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Long himself and his Mac-versus-PC advertising persona are offered as period markers. — Craig Horlbeck
39:51

The Big Kahuna Burger Award for Best Use of Food and Drink

Pizza down Goodman’s pants

Pizza down Goodman’s pants

In the discussion (2)
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  • Goodman taking a child’s hot dog after losing is an initial choice. — Craig Horlbeck
  • The electrode-protected doughnut is an alternative; private-reflection pizza is the final choice. — Craig Horlbeck
40:19

The Vincent Chase Award: Are We Sure This Character Is Actually Good at Their Job?

Kate Veatch; Peter LaFleur

Kate Veatch; Peter LaFleur

In the discussion (2)
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  • Kate spends little time doing accounting and immediately fraternizes with the people whose gym she is assessing. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Peter’s failure to collect dues for thirteen months makes him an obviously poor business owner. — Craig Horlbeck
41:01

The Stephen A. Smith Hottest Take Award

Peter LaFleur sucks; Justin Long could have been his generation’s Matthew Broderick

Peter LaFleur sucks; Justin Long could have been his generation’s Matthew Broderick

In the discussion (4)
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  • Peter is criticized for apathy, uncollected fees, accepting a bribe, sexual harassment, drinking and letting others push his car; the gym seems unsafe and worthy of foreclosure.
  • The defense is that he gives misfits a welcoming place, but the criticism remains that he says the right things without being a good person to spend time with.
  • Long is proposed as a possible generational Broderick: Accepted gives him Ferris Bueller-like charisma, Jeepers Creepers shows range, and his physical comedy improves every movie. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Stiller is proposed as Hollywood’s best nepotism beneficiary on his own merits; Ellison’s wealth, Bronny James, Shanahan, Curtis and Please Don’t Destroy prompt distinctions between opportunity and demonstrated ability. — Craig Horlbeck
45:50

The Butch’s Girlfriend Award for the Weakest Link in the Film

None broadly agreed; Owen if forced

None broadly agreed; Owen if forced

In the discussion (2)
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  • Vaughn is briefly considered but rejected; the group largely sees no weak link. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Owen is the reluctant forced choice because he does little and gets benched, though his failure to recognize the team’s pirate is defended as an excellent joke. — Craig Horlbeck
46:37

What’s Aged the Worst?

Armstrong; stereotypes; bisexuality gimmick; Vitamin Water; haircuts; Patches’s language; betting on one’s team

Armstrong; stereotypes; bisexuality gimmick; Vitamin Water; haircuts; Patches’s language; betting on one’s team

In the discussion (6)
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  • Armstrong’s motivational image is the clearest example of poor aging. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Dated language, stereotype tournament teams and bisexuality used as a gimmick are criticized. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Vitamin Water’s extensive placement feels dated; its reported catering arrangement leads to disagreement about whether the brand still exists and remains worth drinking. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Long and Vaughn have poor haircuts, while Goodman’s feathered hair is exempted. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Patches’s dialogue is broadly judged poorly aged. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Peter betting on his own team now evokes sporting suspensions; the panel distinguishes betting against oneself and debates whether backing one’s own win should be allowed.
50:20

The Ruffalo / Hanna / Rubinek / Partridge Overacting Award

Ben Stiller; Steve the Pirate as a conceptual alternative

Ben Stiller; Steve the Pirate as a conceptual alternative

In the discussion (3)
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  • Stiller is the primary choice, particularly arguing a referee warning like a baseball manager, though most of his excess is exactly why the film works. — Craig Horlbeck
  • His weightlifting spasms exemplify successful excess; one definition of the award requires acting that fails, leading to Steve the Pirate as an entire character built on overacting. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Gordon’s wife is a late nomination for her exaggerated assurances that her new relationship is going well. — Craig Horlbeck
52:28

Is There a Better Title for This Movie?

Dodgeball

Dodgeball

In the discussion (1)
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  • The existing title is unanimously considered excellent; no replacement is needed.
52:36

The Neil McCauley “A Book about Metals” Award for Best Line from the Movie

Bold strategy, Cotton; Ball me, Blazer; bleed my own blood; dodge a wrench; two tons of irony; urine speech

Bold strategy, Cotton; Ball me, Blazer; bleed my own blood; dodge a wrench; two tons of irony; urine speech

In the discussion (6)
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  • Enduring choices include Bold strategy, Cotton, Ball me Blazer, nobody makes me bleed my own blood, dodge a wrench and the five Ds. — Craig Horlbeck
  • The Hallmark-card joke about a coach crushed by two tons of irony is one response’s funniest line.
  • Patches’s pecker-slap promise, sterile-urine justification and camel story are favorites, with necessary prompting a long-running quote habit. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Goodman’s cramhole, Joanie Loves Chachi, convoluted I-know-you exchange, touché and read-it-in-a-book lines are praised. — Craig Horlbeck
  • The blumpkin line evokes the era’s fascination with named sexual acts. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Poopy-flavored lollipop and inability to hit water from a boat are additional Patches highlights. — Craig Horlbeck
55:38

The Joey Pants “That Guy” Award

Gary Cole; Alan Tudyk; Chris Williams; the referee; Curtis Armstrong; Stephen Root

Gary Cole; Alan Tudyk; Chris Williams; the referee; Curtis Armstrong; Stephen Root

In the discussion (3)
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  • The panel uses a broader recognition-based definition than the usual hosts, proposing Cole, Tudyk and Williams through familiar previous roles. — Craig Horlbeck
  • The referee is recognized as a real sports official and American Gladiators referee; his delayed final foot-fault call is criticized despite being correct.
  • Armstrong is permanently recognized as Booger from Revenge of the Nerds; Root and Cole are recognized through Barry and Office Space. — Craig Horlbeck
58:09

The Dion Waiters Award for Best Heat Check Performance

Jason Bateman; Patton Oswalt and Gary Cole alternatives

Jason Bateman; Patton Oswalt and Gary Cole alternatives

In the discussion (4)
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  • Team members and Patches are excluded for too much screen time; Bateman’s Pepper Brooks is the obvious choice. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Oswalt’s tiny voiceover contributions are likened to a successful half-court shot; Cole and Bateman together make every announcing scene memorable. — Craig Horlbeck
  • The feminine-versus-Canadian and1919Helsinki remarks are additional announcing highlights; one viewer initially believed the historical reference. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Armstrong is a late cameo-based contender, though Oswalt remains the tiny-appearance comparison. — Craig Horlbeck
59:34

Recasting Couch

Courteney Cox as Kate; Powell or Samberg as modern Goodman; Driver or Hader as modern Peter

Courteney Cox as Kate; Powell or Samberg as modern Goodman; Driver or Hader as modern Peter

In the discussion (5)
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  • Taylor is debated as merely adequate versus funny and effective; the unicorn obsession may establish why Kate connects with the misfits. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Cox is suggested as Kate; Aniston may have been too big at the time, while Kudrow is briefly floated.
  • A modern remake lacks obvious comedy stars; Powell as Goodman is considered through Hit Man’s character range.
  • Teller and Driver are floated for the leads, with specific enthusiasm for Driver doing comedy and Peter’s movie-return line.
  • Samberg is liked for Goodman’s hair and extreme comic range; Hader is considered for Peter despite age, supported by his straight-man work in Trainwreck. — Craig Horlbeck
1:03:09

What Would Tony Romo’s Director’s Commentary for This Movie Sound Like?

Tony Romo

Tony Romo

In the discussion (2)
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  • Romo is the enthusiastic choice because his excited announcing persona resembles Pepper Brooks. — Craig Horlbeck
  • The panel imagines Romo’s loose, unprepared enthusiasm and a matching BMX outfit. — Craig Horlbeck
1:08:58

Apex Mountain

Ben Stiller’s2004 clout; Christine Taylor; dodgeball; Talk Like a Pirate Day; announcers for a fictional sport

Ben Stiller’s2004 clout; Christine Taylor; dodgeball; Talk Like a Pirate Day; announcers for a fictional sport

In the discussion (8)
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  • Stiller’s2004 stretch is affirmed because his clout got a first-time director’s dodgeball film made; Mary and Tropic Thunder are alternatives but the group returns to2004. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Vaughn is assigned to Wedding Crashers the following year, while Taylor is affirmed here. — Craig Horlbeck
  • The sport of dodgeball is emphatically affirmed for being revitalized by the film. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Stunt casting is proposed through Armstrong, Norris, Shatner and Hasselhoff, with amazement that these appearances fit a modest budget. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Talk Like a Pirate Day is affirmed for2004; pirates generally are debated against Pirates of the Caribbean and actual historical piracy. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Inflatable athletic cups are proposed and compared with Austin Powers’s different penis-enlarger prop. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Movie announcers are proposed against Bob Uecker in Major League; Cotton and Pepper are affirmed for a fictional, non-major-league sport. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Cash in suitcases is proposed through the deliberately unimpressive appearance of a hundred thousand dollars. — Craig Horlbeck
1:14:56

Cruise or Hanks?

Cruise as Goodman; Hanks as Peter

Cruise as Goodman; Hanks as Peter

In the discussion (2)
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  • Cruise could play Goodman through his Tropic Thunder mode; if replacing protagonist Peter, Hanks is the firm choice. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Vaughn is distinguished as protagonist from Stiller as the film’s comic star. — Craig Horlbeck
1:15:41

Best Race Horse Name from This Movie

Purple Cobras; Patches O’Houlihan; You Had Me at Blood and Semen; Ipso Facto I’m Your Boss; Fitness Consiglieres

Purple Cobras; Patches O’Houlihan; You Had Me at Blood and Semen; Ipso Facto I’m Your Boss; Fitness Consiglieres

In the discussion (2)
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  • Purple Cobras and Patches O’Houlihan are immediate choices, followed by You Had Me at Blood and Semen and Ipso Facto I’m Your Boss as horse names. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Fitness Consiglieres and the profane Chuck Norris closing line are additional options. — Craig Horlbeck
1:21:37

Sequel, Prequel, Limited Series, or All-Black Remake

Leave it alone; rivalry prequel if required

Leave it alone; rivalry prequel if required

In the discussion (2)
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  • The panel broadly rejects sequels, citing Zoolander2 and unresolved feelings about Anchorman2; a LIV-style dodgeball sequel is joked about. — Craig Horlbeck
  • If forced, a prequel could explore the gyms’ rivalry and Peter instigating it by sleeping with Goodman’s employees, potentially making Goodman the sympathetic protagonist. — Craig Horlbeck
1:22:25

Fantasy Draft of Movie Players

Fran or Me’Shell first; Kate or Peter from Average Joe’s

Fran or Me’Shell first; Kate or Peter from Average Joe’s

In the discussion (3)
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  • The football-show panel introduces a new draft segment; Globo’s players are generally favored before Average Joe’s, with Fran versus Me’Shell debated as first pick. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Kate’s throwing and catching compete with Peter’s blindfold skill, but Peter’s availability and accepted bribe undermine his reliability. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Gordon is a sneaky second pick for his competitive upside once angered. — Craig Horlbeck
1:24:06

Just One Oscar

Stiller; script; Rip Torn

Stiller; script; Rip Torn

In the discussion (1)
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  • Stiller and the script are immediate choices, while Torn is selected for his relentless high-energy delivery. — Craig Horlbeck
1:24:27

Probably Unanswerable Questions

Peter/Kate/Joyce relationship; dodgeball’s popularity; hot pizza; ADAA Nazi hints; Bateman’s aging

Peter/Kate/Joyce relationship; dodgeball’s popularity; hot pizza; ADAA Nazi hints; Bateman’s aging

In the discussion (6)
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  • The ending may imply a Peter/Kate/Joyce throuple, supported by an early three-people remark; Guam-to-Vegas flight availability is mocked. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Dodgeball seems worthy of greater popularity or Olympic inclusion; very short games might require best-of-five or best-of-seven series. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Pizza in Goodman’s pants raises heat and comfort questions, with waiting for cooling offered as the explanation. — Craig Horlbeck
  • The1938association, Uber-American film branding and chancellor title prompt speculation about an abandoned Nazi-origin subplot; this remains an imagined interpretation. — Craig Horlbeck
  • A joking question asks whether Brady used low-grade beaver tranquilizer, followed by a Levis joke rather than evidence.
  • Bateman’s apparent lack of aging is compared with Rudd and Hollywood cosmetic possibilities. — Craig Horlbeck
1:27:32

Best Double Feature

Talladega Nights; BASEketball; Happy Gilmore; Kingpin; Wedding Crashers; Zoolander
In the discussion (2)
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  • Talladega Nights, BASEketball, Happy Gilmore and Kingpin fit as slapstick sports companions.
  • Wedding Crashers continues Vaughn’s similar persona; Zoolander shares Stiller, his wife and father, and was paired with Dodgeball on the fantasy show.
1:29:09

The Andy and Red – Zihuatanejo Award for What Happens the Next Day?

Gym takeover; Kate leaves Peter; Peter loses the money gambling

Gym takeover; Kate leaves Peter; Peter loses the money gambling

In the discussion (2)
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  • The film already shows the gym takeover and Justin getting Denise pregnant; Kate is imagined leaving Peter after recognizing his flaws. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Peter is imagined becoming addicted to high-stakes gambling, losing everything and escalating into darker bets. — Craig Horlbeck
1:29:48

What Piece of Memorabilia Would You Want From This Movie?

Team jerseys; skull ball; bull painting; irony sign; pump pants; back-rub coupon

Team jerseys; skull ball; bull painting; irony sign; pump pants; back-rub coupon

In the discussion (3)
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  • The Globo and Average Joe’s uniforms and skull-marked sudden-death ball are desired. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Goodman’s bull-grabbing painting is the emphatic choice, with a request to locate the real prop for the studio. — Craig Horlbeck
  • The Luck of the Irish sign, pump trousers and free-back-rub coupon are additional choices, though the coupon emphasizes Peter’s creepiness. — Craig Horlbeck
1:31:49

The Coach Finstock Award for Best Life Lesson

Bet on yourself (joke); find where you fit

Bet on yourself (joke); find where you fit

In the discussion (2)
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  • Betting a hundred thousand on one’s own fifty-to-one team is the joking lesson. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Finding a welcoming place and accepting imperfection are the sincere alternatives. — Craig Horlbeck
1:32:30

Who Won the Movie?

Ben Stiller

Ben Stiller

In the discussion (3)
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  • Stiller is the initial choice, challenged by Thurber’s remarkable path from film school and commercial to dream-cast feature; Vaughn is rejected. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Thurber’s subsequent career is acknowledged, but Stiller’s role in getting the film made, its success and iconic character win the argument. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Stiller’s later lucrative family films are discussed as another level of success; two final responses settle on Stiller while crediting Thurber’s achievement. — Craig Horlbeck
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Real rubber-ball impact sounds evoke childhood dodgeball; the younger panel recalls softer foam balls, and sports-film training is described as a dream acting assignment.
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A former Kimmy Schmidt production assistant recalls testing a pants-wetting effect intended for Fred Armisen while Jon Hamm watched, illustrating the work behind absurd physical gags.
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Zoolander is considered Stiller’s defining character, while White Goodman may be funnier in isolation and more culturally pervasive than expected; Hansel and supporting elements help Zoolander.
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The panel promotes its three-times-weekly fantasy football podcast and jokes about this being the end of The Rewatchables while Simmons is away.
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