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The Karate Kid

1984 film

Bill Simmons · Ryen Russillo

Aired March 26, 2020

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The Karate Kid

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Rocky-driven origin; Cruel Summer's chart resurgence; Macchio's yellow car; the saved drunk scene; the cut pie and water-fountain scenes; the fishing-wire fly; Pat Johnson's background; Zabka's training; Coca-Cola product placement; Shue's bathing-suit quote

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Approx. transcript time · 01:26:52Read transcript
  • The hosts say Robert Mark Kamen was approached by Columbia to rip off Rocky after it signed Avildsen, building on an optioned news story about a single mother's child earning a black belt against neighborhood bullies.
  • Writers do not just go off with those instructions—it is more complicated than that. — Ryen Russillo
  • Cruel Summer, a 1983 song, is said to have hit No. 9 on the Billboard Hot 100 in 1984 after the movie; Macchio reportedly still has the yellow 1948 Ford Super Deluxe Club convertible, valued around $20,000 online.
  • How Miyagi owns so many cars is joked to suggest bootlegging.
  • The producers reportedly wanted to cut the drunk scene for length, and Avildsen fought to keep it.
  • In the oral history Chad McQueen is quoted saying he never really talked to Ralph and would have said something nasty if he had.
  • Two scenes said to have been shot and cut deepened the Daniel-Johnny feud: the blueberry-pie cafeteria fight and a water-fountain confrontation in which Daniel asks Johnny whether he might be wrong about his sensei; that is preferred to extra remodeling footage.
  • The hosts say the fly-catching used a crew member dangling a fake fly on fishing wire, and that Macchio thought the title corny and lost the fight to change it.
  • Pat Johnson, the referee and choreographer, is said to have trained since 1963, learned a Korean form of karate while in Korea with the Army and trained with Chuck Norris; Zabka is quoted saying they trained five days a week, four hours a day for the month before shooting.
  • Zabka reportedly had no martial arts background but was an accomplished wrestler, which makes his Vision Quest casting odd.
  • Zabka's footwork is compared to Barry Sanders, including a scissor kick in rehearsal that reaches head height.
  • The hosts say Columbia's Coca-Cola ownership meant product placement—orange juice at breakfast and a Sprite—that is said to annoy Macchio; Daniel's No. 89 jersey is described as a Chargers replica.
  • Shue is quoted from the oral history on feeling uncomfortable in the bathing suit, training for the beach scene and then slowly gaining weight across the shoot; Vidal is said to have doubled for Morita in the cool moves.
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Approx. transcript time · 01:20:49Read transcript
  • It is called one of the biggest Dion Waiters categories in 106 or 107 episodes; three nominees are named, with Tommy's eligibility left open.
  • Kreese is barely in the movie yet puts up huge stats, a bench player with a double-double in 14 minutes.
  • Dutch, played by Chad McQueen, is the scariest Cobra Kai and the one who would lead a coup against Johnny; his loss to Daniel seems unrealistic.
  • The tournament announcer ('Daniel LaRusso is going to fight!') is praised for his jacket-collar look and mysterious identity and is initially given the award.
  • An anecdote about an anchor questioning low energy in a pre-show rehearsal before a strong live show is used to compare the announcer's rehearsal footage with his performance when the red light goes on.
  • The announcer pick is disputed: Tommy is ruled ineligible and Dutch is not in it enough, leading to Kreese over the MC.
  • The announcer is looked up as Bruce Malmuth, said to have died in 2005, who also announced in Karate Kid II and appeared in Lean on Me and Pentathlon.
  • The award goes to Kreese, though the karate announcer could have won.
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Approx. transcript time · 01:16:18Read transcript
  • Larry B. Scott (Lamar from Revenge of the Nerds) and Happy Gilmore's grandma as the lying, chain-smoking old lady are mentioned as classic That Guys.
  • The pick is Randee Heller as the mom, for a run including Gabe Kaplan's wife in Fast Break, a stripper girlfriend on The White Shadow, and later a lawyer on Melrose Place—an '80s Gary Oldman' range.
  • Dutch is floated as a That Guy as the most psychotic Cobra Kai, but because the actor is Chad McQueen, Steve McQueen's son, he is judged not a That Guy.
  • Chad McQueen is placed in the first wave of troubled celebrity kids of the cocaine era, with a wild look in his eyes.
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