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Chewbacca is the most overrated sidekick (disputed)

Bill Simmons: An early take labels Chewbacca the most overrated sidekick because his size makes him conspicuous and his speech is unintelligible to almost everyone.

The rebuttal credits Chewbacca as a co-pilot, mechanic, expert shot, and source of physical strength.

The film

Star Wars: A New Hope (1977)

Directed by George Lucas · Science fiction

121 minutes

Cast

Selected cast credits · Film reference

Everything from the episode

In the order the hosts got to it. Open a row for the discussion.

2:26

Most Rewatchable Scene

The trench run

The trench run

In the discussion (13)
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  • The opening firefight and first Darth Vader entrance begin the candidate list. — Bill Simmons
  • Luke meeting his mentor and learning about his father and the Force is praised for its economical mythology. — Bill Simmons
  • Vader's conference-room intimidation is nominated for establishing the Force as more powerful than the Death Star.
  • The cantina sequence is called one of the best scenes of the 1970s for its creatures, droid exclusion, Han Solo negotiation, and Greedo shooting.
  • Tarkin forcing Leia to watch Alderaan's destruction is praised for cruelty and for establishing the stakes.
  • The Falcon sequence combines holochess, Luke training, Han doubting the Force, and the mentor teaching, running several character beats at once. — Bill Simmons
  • The Death Star infiltration, rescue, trash compactor, and escape are praised as a long escalating run.
  • The mentor and Vader duel is discussed as sacrifice rather than a modern athletic lightsaber fight.
  • The Millennium Falcon's surprise return during the trench run is recalled as a theatrical cheer moment. — Bill Simmons
  • The final medal ceremony is nominated, with the exclusion of Chewbacca and the droids criticized.
  • The cantina receives one firm vote because it combines a first lightsaber use, a severed limb, Han and Greedo, music, creatures, and escape. — Sean Fennessey
  • The trench run receives two final votes for its enduring aerial-action structure and signature place in Star Wars.
  • The disguised rescue of Leia and the broader Death Star escape remain personal favorites without displacing the final trench-run majority.
21:27

The Stephen A. Smith Hottest Take Award

Chewbacca is the most overrated sidekick (disputed)

Chewbacca is the most overrated sidekick (disputed)

In the discussion (3)
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  • An early take labels Chewbacca the most overrated sidekick because his size makes him conspicuous and his speech is unintelligible to almost everyone. — Bill Simmons
  • The rebuttal credits Chewbacca as a co-pilot, mechanic, expert shot, and source of physical strength.
  • Chewbacca talks to the mentor and arranges the deal that gets Luke and the mentor onto Han's ship.
26:26

The most 1977 thing

Practical effects, primitive laser bursts, creatures in suits, and Mark Hamill’s television haircut define 1977.

Practical effects, primitive laser bursts, creatures in suits, and Mark Hamill’s television haircut define 1977.

In the discussion (4)
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  • Some laser blasts and explosions resemble sparklers despite the overall effects achievement.
  • Practical creatures played by people in suits are selected as a defining 1977 quality.
  • Hand-drawn imagery, matte paintings, models, and optical effects are praised as practical craft that remains appealing. — Sean Fennessey
  • Mark Hamill's period haircut and his departure from the Eight Is Enough pilot are offered as another marker. — Bill Simmons
27:58

What’s Aged the Best?

The film’s influence, Leia, practical craft, mythmaking, Darth Vader, Obi-Wan, world-building, and cultural afterlife...

The film’s influence, Leia, practical craft, mythmaking, Darth Vader, Obi-Wan, world-building, and cultural afterlife form a long field.

In the discussion (15)
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  • Interconnected cinematic universes and ILM are credited as foundations of contemporary Hollywood storytelling. — Sean Fennessey
  • Leia is praised as a fearless hero rather than a passive damsel, with particular importance for young viewers. — Sean Fennessey
  • Lightsabers update the durable screen appeal of sword fighting through a futuristic design. — Sean Fennessey
  • The fast spaceships are traced to hot-rod culture and Lucas’s American Graffiti experience. — Sean Fennessey
  • The Force works especially well as an almost-forgotten spiritual discipline practiced by a few remaining believers. — Chris Ryan
  • Minor details such as squadron check-ins and a stormtrooper hitting his head became durable shared lore. — Chris Ryan
  • The trench run is treated as an enduring aerial-attack template copied by later action films. — Chris Ryan
  • Darth Vader is the leading answer because he expanded from mysterious villain into the franchise’s most recognizable tragic figure. — Van Lathan
  • Introducing Vader immediately is defended because later stories reveal the saga to be partly his story and the Emperor to be the deeper evil.
  • The secret that Vader is Luke’s father is praised for leaving subtle retrospective possibilities without revealing itself.
  • Obi-Wan is praised as an archetypal mentor and every Vader entrance retains power. — Bill Simmons
  • The strange creatures, villains, opening crawl, and constant parody produced a distinct world with an unusually long cultural life. — Bill Simmons
  • The long-concealed Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford affair is offered as something that aged well because their chemistry remains visible in the film. — Bill Simmons
  • Blasters age well relative to bullets because their clean impacts make the movie accessible to younger viewers and avoid ammunition-count questions.
  • Carrie Fisher’s advice that she and Mark Hamill should accept their defining roles is praised as a healthy view of fame. — Bill Simmons
40:58

The Great Shot Gordo Award for Most Cinematic Shot

Luke watching the binary sunset

Luke watching the binary sunset

In the discussion (5)
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  • The binary sunset wins because it conveys Luke’s hunger for a larger life without explanatory dialogue.
  • The bottomless Death Star corridor is praised as an astonishing matte-painting illusion made with old compositing methods. — Sean Fennessey
  • The escape pod against the stars is cited as an early digital effect that still feels tactile. — Sean Fennessey
  • The wide view of Luke frozen after his mentor falls is another emotional composition.
  • Alderaan’s destruction is admired as the first overwhelming demonstration of the Death Star. — Van Lathan
44:03

The Slow Ride / Kid Cudi – Pursuit of Happiness Award for Best Needle Drop

No clear selection: cantina music, the main title, and “Return Home”

No clear selection: cantina music, the main title, and “Return Home”

In the discussion (1)
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  • The cantina cue, main title, and Return Home are the stated musical candidates.
44:23

Sean Fennessey Award for Stealth Homage That Gives Every Movie Nerd a Criterion Orgasm

The Hidden Fortress

The Hidden Fortress

In the discussion (2)
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  • Specific images and character functions in The Hidden Fortress are said to map directly onto Star Wars. — Sean Fennessey
  • Kurosawa’s influence on both Lucas and Spielberg is treated as essential to the movie’s existence. — Sean Fennessey
45:35

The Sean Penn “I Brought My Own Pack” Award for Excellence in On-Screen Smoking

Han Solo (hypothetically), with an unlit future cigarette behind his ear

Han Solo (hypothetically), with an unlit future cigarette behind his ear

In the discussion (1)
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  • Han is chosen and imagined with an unlit light cigarette behind his ear. — Bill Simmons
46:09

Chest Rockwell / Brock Landers Award for Best Character Name

Darth Vader

Darth Vader

In the discussion (1)
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  • Darth Vader is preferred after Han Solo, Luke Skywalker, and the discarded Luke Starkiller are discussed. — Bill Simmons
46:47

The Neil McCauley “A Book about Metals” Award for Best Line from the Movie

Han Solo’s rejection of an all-powerful Force

Han Solo’s rejection of an all-powerful Force

Flex pick · Chris Ryan

In the discussion (2)
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  • The selected line says the speaker has crossed the galaxy without seeing proof that a mystical field controls destiny. — Chris Ryan
  • The quotation was used as a senior yearbook quote at a Quaker school.
47:39

The Butch’s Girlfriend Award for the Weakest Link in the Film

No consensus emerges: Mark Hamill’s early performance is criticized and defended, while Porkins is an alternate.

No consensus emerges: Mark Hamill’s early performance is criticized and defended, while Porkins is an alternate.

In the discussion (5)
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  • The first response says, 'I couldn't think of one.'
  • Mark Hamill is criticized as limited beside Fisher and Ford and described as an intentionally young, whiny system quarterback.
  • The defense says Luke must begin uncertain and off-kilter so his confidence and scars across the trilogy register as growth.
  • Kurt Russell is acknowledged as a cooler alternate who may have brought too much confidence to early Luke. — Chris Ryan
  • Porkins is another answer because the pilot is immediately lost despite the rebellion’s thin roster. — Chris Ryan
52:19

What’s Aged the Worst?

Retitling, representation, the reduced Fox slate, franchise alterations, and mishandled extensions dominate the criti...

Retitling, representation, the reduced Fox slate, franchise alterations, and mishandled extensions dominate the criticism.

In the discussion (10)
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  • Adding A New Hope to the original Star Wars title is called unnecessary and irritating. — Bill Simmons
  • The movie is called a 'big sausage party' with only Leia and Luke's aunt identified as women.
  • The film’s assumption that fascism is obviously bad is jokingly said to feel less secure in 2025. — Bill Simmons
  • After Star Wars succeeded, 20th Century Fox reducing its annual slate from about twenty films to seven is criticized as a lost opportunity. — Bill Simmons
  • The original story’s incestuous tension is awkward in retrospect, though Luke does not know Leia is his sister.
  • A Marvel comic run ending after 107 issues is treated as a missed opportunity for continued storytelling. — Bill Simmons
  • Disney’s early rejection of the screenplay is contrasted with its later purchase of Lucasfilm for four billion dollars.
  • The film could have used more than twelve minutes of Vader, though his limited screen time may strengthen him. — Bill Simmons
  • Contemporary criticism of the film’s whiteness and of black imagery being attached to Vader is preserved as historical reception. — Van Lathan
  • The special-edition alterations, Holiday Special, and empty early-bird toy boxes are cited as mishandled parts of the movie’s afterlife. — Bill Simmons
58:00

Van Lathan Award for Did This Movie Need More Black People?

The lack of Black characters matters, while one participant also values fantasy as a temporary escape from real racia...

The lack of Black characters matters, while one participant also values fantasy as a temporary escape from real racial burdens.

In the discussion (3)
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  • Seeing Black people in fantasy is described as reassurance that imagined worlds have not erased them. — Van Lathan
  • The counterpoint says this particular fantasy offers relief from thinking about real-world racial barriers. — Van Lathan
  • Chasing Amy is praised for satirizing the racial politics of the original Star Wars.
1:01:11

The Stephen A. Smith Hottest Take Award

An accidental Luke–Leia sexual relationship; Han mistreats Luke; Star Wars is great art and a damaging industrial pre...

An accidental Luke–Leia sexual relationship; Han mistreats Luke; Star Wars is great art and a damaging industrial precedent

Flex pick · Van Lathan

In the discussion (4)
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  • The trilogy is said to become darker and better if Luke and Leia unknowingly have sex before learning they are siblings.
  • The imagined guilt is argued to give Luke a stronger pull toward the dark side. — Van Lathan
  • Star Wars is called both one of the best films ever and one of the worst things to happen to Hollywood because of its industrial influence.
  • Han is called a cock-blocking dickhead who pursues Leia and tells Luke not to get cocky after Luke's success. — Chris Ryan
1:03:18

The Ruffalo / Hanna / Rubinek / Partridge Overacting Award

Chewbacca and Mark Hamill’s loud, whiny moments

Chewbacca and Mark Hamill’s loud, whiny moments

In the discussion (2)
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  • Chewbacca is nominated after a long run of criticism directed at the character. — Van Lathan
  • Mark Hamill’s loud complaints, especially his insistence that he is a capable pilot, are the other answer.
1:05:10

Casting What-Ifs

The original casting search is reviewed across Luke, Leia, Han, Obi-Wan, Vader, Chewbacca, and physical Vader.

The original casting search is reviewed across Luke, Leia, Han, Obi-Wan, Vader, Chewbacca, and physical Vader.

In the discussion (10)
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1:09:31

The Joey Pants “That Guy” Award

Peter Cushing (disputed: too famous in Britain)

Peter Cushing (disputed: too famous in Britain)

In the discussion (3)
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  • Peter Cushing is the initial answer as Tarkin. — Bill Simmons
  • His long run as a Hammer Horror lead makes the That Guy label questionable. — Sean Fennessey
  • The remaining supporting cast is described as working British actors without an obvious second role for the panel to cite. — Sean Fennessey
1:10:38

The Dion Waiters Award for Best Heat Check Performance

Darth Vader

Darth Vader

In the discussion (4)
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  • Vader is selected for dominating the film in roughly twelve minutes.
  • The cantina ensemble and Greedo are proposed as compact alternatives.
  • The digitally inserted CGI gangster is rejected aesthetically but acknowledged as a significant one-scene character.
  • The officer choked by Vader is the final alternate.
1:11:42

Recasting Couch

Mark Harmon or young Kurt Russell as Luke

Mark Harmon or young Kurt Russell as Luke

In the discussion (2)
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1:12:44

Half-Assed Internet Research

The research block covers an early Han design, Lucas’s directing style, crew resistance, practical discomfort, the lo...

The research block covers an early Han design, Lucas’s directing style, crew resistance, practical discomfort, the lost cut, and studio notes.

In the discussion (7)
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  • An early script version made Han Solo a large green-skinned monster with gills. — Bill Simmons
  • Carrie Fisher recalled that Lucas gave little actor direction beyond faster or more intense. — Bill Simmons
  • The British crew reportedly disliked Lucas enough to stop promptly at quitting time even in the middle of a setup. — Bill Simmons
  • Hamill’s line about not seeing through the helmet was retained because he actually could not see. — Bill Simmons
  • The Chewbacca suit became foul after remaining wet following the trash-compactor sequence.
  • An early multi-hour assembly contained much more of Luke on Tatooine before later editors substantially tightened it. — Chris Ryan
  • Studio executives wanted Chewbacca to wear shorts, a note the panel considers disastrous. — Bill Simmons
1:15:55

Apex Mountain

Science-fiction movies, galaxy adventures, fictional mythology, Mark Hamill, 20th Century Fox, and Apex categories: yes

Science-fiction movies, galaxy adventures, fictional mythology, Mark Hamill, 20th Century Fox, and Apex categories: yes

Flex pick · Craig Horlbeck

In the discussion (11)
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  • Lucas’s apex is placed around 1981 after Empire and Raiders, though selling Lucasfilm for four billion dollars is another candidate.
  • Star Wars is judged an apex for science-fiction movies, galaxy adventures, and film-created fictional mythology.
  • The movie is accepted as Mark Hamill’s apex and a possible early apex for Carrie Fisher. — Bill Simmons
  • John Williams is difficult to pin to one apex, but Star Wars is preferred over later cultural competitors.
  • James Earl Jones is placed closer to Field of Dreams, Coming to America, or Mufasa than to his uncredited Vader voice. — Bill Simmons
  • Harrison Ford receives an explicit apex check and is rejected because his apex had already been named earlier. — Bill Simmons
  • The movie is an apex for 20th Century Fox because profits and stock value rose sharply. — Bill Simmons
  • The film is credited with beginning the cultural ascent of nerd fandom rather than representing its final apex in 1977. — Sean Fennessey
  • Its sound effects remain exceptional, including Vader breathing, TIE fighters, droids, and lightsabers.
  • The saga is called a leading story of absentee fathers because Vader reappears only after Luke becomes powerful. — Van Lathan
  • The film is declared the apex of Apex Mountain categories because so many people, crafts, objects, and institutions peak around it. — Chris Ryan
1:22:10

Cruise or Hanks?

Young Tom Cruise as Luke

Young Tom Cruise as Luke

In the discussion (2)
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  • Early-1980s Cruise is selected as Luke for his still-youthful quality.
  • Hanks is considered as an older mentor or a Volunteers-era Han but rejected as too tall for the latter.
1:22:59

Scorsese or Spielberg?

Steven Spielberg

Steven Spielberg

In the discussion (1)
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1:25:22

Picking Nits

Coincidence, military competence, continuity, grief, Obi-Wan’s sacrifice, and the Death Star strategy drive a long ni...

Coincidence, military competence, continuity, grief, Obi-Wan’s sacrifice, and the Death Star strategy drive a long nitpick section.

In the discussion (11)
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  • The escape pod carrying both droids lands improbably close to Luke, possibly through the Force.
  • The Empire declines to destroy an empty pod despite detecting it, allowing the plans to escape.
  • The possibility that R2-D2 is Force-sensitive is raised to explain repeated favorable outcomes.
  • Stormtroopers fail to inspect the Falcon effectively and repeatedly miss exposed targets at close range. — Bill Simmons
  • The mechanics of mapping and navigating a vast galaxy are questioned and answered only with hyperspace and existing maps.
  • The princess's white outfit stays too clean after the garbage dump and fighting. — Bill Simmons
  • The mentor's claim that he never had any droids conflicts with later-created prequel continuity.
  • The panel debates whether later continuity may be used to judge a 1977 movie whose mythology was not fully fixed.
  • Leia, Luke, and the others recover almost instantly from planetary destruction, burned relatives, and the mentor’s death. — Sean Fennessey
  • The mentor’s decision to accept death remains unclear because the Falcon crew might have escaped anyway.
  • Luke trusts a spiritual force learned days earlier enough to switch off targeting equipment during the galaxy’s decisive shot. — Chris Ryan
1:36:22

George Ellerby “Two Weeks with Pay” Award for Character Who Should Have Been Fired

Grand Moff Tarkin

Grand Moff Tarkin

Flex pick · Sean Fennessey

In the discussion (2)
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  • Tarkin continues the mission after learning the enemy knows a catastrophic design weakness. — Sean Fennessey
  • His choice is compared with a 28–3 halftime collapse and called a nightmare.
1:36:22

The Vincent Chase Award: Are We Sure This Character Is Actually Good at Their Job?

The Empire’s reliance on the Death Star

The Empire’s reliance on the Death Star

Flex pick · Sean Fennessey

In the discussion (2)
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  • The Death Star is challenged as an expensive and energy-intensive way to govern.
  • Grand Admiral Thrawn’s alternative plan for advanced fighters is presented as a better use of imperial resources. — Van Lathan
1:38:55

Sequel, Prequel, Limited Series, or All-Black Remake

An all-Black Star Wars film; existing sequels, prequels, and prestige television

An all-Black Star Wars film; existing sequels, prequels, and prestige television

In the discussion (2)
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  • An all-Black Jedi story is proposed both as an appealing film and as a challenge to racist online backlash. — Van Lathan
  • The format is described as the franchise’s remaining frontier after sequels, prequels, and prestige television. — Van Lathan
1:40:06

Is This Movie Better With…?

Bill Simmons podcasting about Luke’s growth

Bill Simmons podcasting about Luke’s growth

In the discussion (1)
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  • A mock Sunday-night podcast celebrates nineteen-year-old Luke’s untapped levels after his mentor falls. — Chris Ryan
1:41:13

Just One Oscar

Sound

Sound

In the discussion (1)
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  • The panel considers picture, Lucas, Williams, and sound before choosing sound.
1:41:43

Probably Unanswerable Questions

The section asks about the gold protocol droid’s design, the Wookie’s body, and Halloween uniformity.

The section asks about the gold protocol droid’s design, the Wookie’s body, and Halloween uniformity.

In the discussion (3)
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  • The gold protocol droid’s shape is asked to resemble an Oscar, though the Metropolis robot is cited as the closer model.
  • The panel asks whether the Wookie has genitalia and how he goes to the bathroom.
  • Halloween 1978 is proposed as a peak for many people wearing the same costume.
1:45:14

What Piece of Memorabilia Would You Want From This Movie?

A lightsaber

A lightsaber

In the discussion (3)
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  • A lightsaber is the immediate consensus memorabilia choice. — Chris Ryan
  • Vader’s red saber and Anakin’s saber carried by Luke are the main specific preferences.
  • Han’s blaster, Luke’s landspeeder, and Vader’s mask are strong non-saber alternatives.
1:47:17

The Coach Finstock Award for Best Life Lesson

Trust the Force and raise your own children

Trust the Force and raise your own children

In the discussion (2)
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  • Trust the Force is applied as a general lesson and joking reassurance about future television. — Bill Simmons
  • Raise your own children is the second lesson because an abandoned child may later overthrow the parent’s empire.
1:48:02

Best Double Feature

Rogue One, Dune, American Graffiti, and Raiders
In the discussion (4)
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  • Rogue One is the first franchise-internal pairing.
  • A Denis Villeneuve sand-planet movie is offered.
  • American Graffiti is proposed as a full-Lucas pairing.
  • Raiders is another Lucas adventure alternative. — Bill Simmons
1:48:18

Who Won the Movie?

George Lucas

George Lucas

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  • Harrison Ford is nominated for keeping the movie attached to human cool and charisma amid robots and an uncertain young hero.
  • George Lucas is chosen for creating Hollywood’s most indelible franchise and retaining enormous financial upside.
  • The final consensus says no one in the industry may have won one movie as completely as Lucas won Star Wars.
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Part Two exists because Part One ran long before the discussion reached the categories.
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The opening scene discussion examines Han shooting first and the later edit that made Greedo fire first as a change to Han’s character arc.
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The ceremony discussion preserves the long-running criticism that Chewbacca and the droids received no medals.
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The closing credits the movie’s originality, accessible good-versus-evil story, and fun with generating a vast experiential world.
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Theme-park rides and Galaxy’s Edge are discussed as ways the film’s world became a physical experience.
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