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Brokeback Mountain

year 2005decade 00sdirector Ang Leegenre Romancegenre Drama
host Bill Simmonshost Wesley Morrisproducer Craig Horlbeck format 20th Anniversaryevent First Episode in New Studio
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The Stephen A. Smith Hottest Take Award · 1:37:55

Ledger could have two of the top six or seven male performances this century: Joker is automatic, and Ennis has a strong case against a flexible field of examples.

Bill Simmons: Ledger could have two of the top six or seven male performances this century: Joker is automatic, and Ennis has a strong case against a flexible field of examples.

Wesley Morris: The two-performance claim is accepted, while the list’s focus on Oscar-recognized roles is noted.

The Coach Finstock Award for Best Life Lesson · 2:17:41

Follow your heart

Wesley Morris: Follow your heart and accept being in love are offered; enduring what cannot be fixed is admired, while needing nothing because one has nothing is rejected as defeatist.

The film

Brokeback Mountain (2005)

Directed by Ang Lee · Romance

134 minutes

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Cast

Selected cast credits · Film reference

Heath Ledger Ennis Del Mar
Jake Gyllenhaal Jack Twist
Randy Quaid Joe Aguirre
Michelle Williams Alma Beers Del Mar
Anne Hathaway Lureen Newsome Twist
Graham Beckel L.D. Newsome
Linda Cardellini Cassie Cartwright
Anna Faris Lashawn Malone
David Harbour Randall Malone

Everything from the episode

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58:02

Roger Ebert's review

4 stars (scale not stated)
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  • Ebert gives four stars and praises the film’s close observation of its two men as making the specific universal. — Bill Simmons
  • His four-star Crash review and belief that it deserved to win are criticized. — Bill Simmons
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59:01

Most Rewatchable Scene

The quit-you confrontation and opening

The quit-you confrontation and opening

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  • The opening glances and famous tent scene are nominated. — Bill Simmons
  • A first-time young viewer’s surprise at the tent scene becomes tears by the ending. — Bill Simmons
  • The fight and goodbye, Ennis’s wall punch and the later refusal of another job are highlighted. — Bill Simmons
  • Lorraine’s arrival and Jack’s reunion visit after the postcard are nominated. — Bill Simmons
  • The reunion kiss and Alma discovering it expose the relationship through an outsider’s view; the loss of control is both moving and risky. — Wesley Morris
  • The campfire tire-iron story establishes mortal stakes; the two Thanksgivings contrast father-in-law conflict with Alma revealing she knew about the fishing lie. — Bill Simmons
  • The double date and cabin invitation are a favorite, with the invitation becoming a personal running joke. — Bill Simmons
  • The quit-you confrontation is called the best scene; Ledger collapses and Gyllenhaal registers that he pushed too far. — Wesley Morris
  • The ambiguous call to Lorraine and the parents’ house with the hidden shirts are praised. — Bill Simmons
  • The opening is the other final favorite, praised as a modern dance between the men. — Bill Simmons
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1:15:56

The most 2005 thing

The actors’ youth

The actors’ youth

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  • The actors’ youth is chosen over the film’s once-controversial subject matter.
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1:16:26

Recasting Couch

Paul Meskell, Adam Scott and Josh O Connor illustrate modern possibilities; Mike Feist is floated while Tom Holland l...

Paul Meskell, Adam Scott and Josh O Connor illustrate modern possibilities; Mike Feist is floated while Tom Holland lacks the required physicality.

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  • Paul Meskell, Adam Scott and Josh O Connor illustrate modern possibilities; Mike Feist is floated while Tom Holland lacks the required physicality.
  • Chalamet is considered unlikely to fit though likely to be approached; muscular Sasha Baron Cohen is a joke, Jesse Plemons may be too old, and Will Poulter is floated.
  • Sabrina Carpenter as Alma is tentatively entertained; Gosling ten years earlier could have worked. — Wesley Morris
  • Danny McBride as Ennis and Shane Gillis as Jack start as jokes but draw serious interest. — Wesley Morris
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1:18:46

What’s Aged the Best?

The enduring score, title spoken onscreen and quiet Western-adjacent landscapes

The enduring score, title spoken onscreen and quiet Western-adjacent landscapes

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  • The enduring score, title spoken onscreen and quiet Western-adjacent landscapes are praised. — Bill Simmons
  • The on-set romance and Jack’s dreams are discussed; ordinary unlucky men with bleak futures feel unusual in current movies. — Bill Simmons
  • The attractive ensemble, cow-castration exchange, score and Ledger’s performance hold up. — Bill Simmons
  • Aged-best attractive ensemble praise explicitly names Michelle Williams, observed Ann Hathaway, Kate Mera, Linda Cardalini and Anna Farris. — Bill Simmons
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1:21:00

The Great Shot Gordo Award for Most Cinematic Shot

The final shirts-and-road composition

The final shirts-and-road composition

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  • The final shirts-and-road composition is praised and compared with an observed Magnificent Obsession ending, with the comparison’s film identity unverified. — Wesley Morris
  • The Fourth of July fight framed by fireworks and the familiar intimate closeups are other choices. — Bill Simmons
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1:22:35

The Big Kahuna Burger Award for Best Use of Food and Drink

The cooked elk, beans, and jerky

The cooked elk, beans, and jerky

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  • The cooked elk, beans and jerky are offered; the transition to meat looks appetizing and beans prompt a personal defense.
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1:23:37

The Sean Penn “I Brought My Own Pack” Award for Excellence in On-Screen Smoking

Ledger: 9.5/10

Ledger: 9.5/10

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  • De Niro in Goodfellas is the unique10 benchmark, Cole Hauser’s Goodwill Hunt entrance about9.7, and Ledger9.5 for convincing cigarette handling. — Bill Simmons
  • Gyllenhaal is around7.5 to8, including the shared postcoital smoking; Cruise, Roberts and Reeves in Hardball are unconvincing comparisons. — Bill Simmons
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1:26:11

The Slow Ride / Kid Cudi – Pursuit of Happiness Award for Best Needle Drop

Sweet Melissa is one choice; the score entering after Jack, I swear is another.

Sweet Melissa is one choice; the score entering after Jack, I swear is another.

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  • Sweet Melissa is one choice; the score entering after Jack, I swear is another. — Bill Simmons
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1:26:32

Chest Rockwell / Brock Landers Award for Best Character Name

Jack Twist

Jack Twist

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  • Jack Twist wins, with Lorraine considered and Alma Jr questioned. — Bill Simmons
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1:27:35

The Butch’s Girlfriend Award for the Weakest Link in the Film

The public reunion kiss seems implausibly reckless, but years of repressed longing explain the loss of control.

The public reunion kiss seems implausibly reckless, but years of repressed longing explain the loss of control.

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  • The public reunion kiss seems implausibly reckless, but years of repressed longing explain the loss of control.
  • Repeated14-hour drives without apparent spousal suspicion are questioned; Lorraine likely knew and the marriage was already failing.
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1:31:13

What’s Aged the Worst?

The four-year Mara–Ledger age gap and insufficient aging

The four-year Mara–Ledger age gap and insufficient aging

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  • Mara and Ledger are only four years apart, and insufficient aging makes the daughter appear like a new girlfriend. — Bill Simmons
  • A worse-husbands comparison ultimately places Ennis at3 out of10, far below violent and abandoning alternatives. — Bill Simmons
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1:35:30

The Ruffalo / Hanna / Rubinek / Partridge Overacting Award

None

None

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  • No overacting nominee is offered; the acting is considered strong. — Bill Simmons
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1:35:47

The Cliff Booth Award: Is This Movie Better if the Main Character Had a Pet?

A dog would improve lonely Ennis’s life and provide companionship beyond the distant relationship.

A dog would improve lonely Ennis’s life and provide companionship beyond the distant relationship.

Flex pick · Wesley Morris

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  • A dog would improve lonely Ennis’s life and provide companionship beyond the distant relationship. — Wesley Morris
  • A bloodhound or border collie is considered; an initially proposed Ennis award is recognized as the existing Cliff Booth category and extended in name.
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1:37:55

The Stephen A. Smith Hottest Take Award

Ledger could have two of the top six or seven male performances this century: Joker is automatic, and Ennis has a str...

Ledger could have two of the top six or seven male performances this century: Joker is automatic, and Ennis has a strong case against a flexible field of examples.

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  • Ledger could have two of the top six or seven male performances this century: Joker is automatic, and Ennis has a strong case against a flexible field of examples. — Bill Simmons
  • The two-performance claim is accepted, while the list’s focus on Oscar-recognized roles is noted. — Wesley Morris
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1:40:39

Casting What-Ifs

Van Sant wanted Damon as Ennis; Damon cites the sequence of Ripley and All the Pretty Horses. Hartnett and Phoenix ar...

Van Sant wanted Damon as Ennis; Damon cites the sequence of Ripley and All the Pretty Horses. Hartnett and Phoenix are mentioned, with Phoenix reportedly denying an offer and saying he would have accepted.

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  • Van Sant wanted Damon as Ennis; Damon cites the sequence of Ripley and All the Pretty Horses. Hartnett and Phoenix are mentioned, with Phoenix reportedly denying an offer and saying he would have accepted. — Bill Simmons
  • Representatives reportedly feared career damage; Schumacher and Norton were attached, and Walberg reportedly declined after disliking the script. — Bill Simmons
  • Ledger wanted Ennis rather than Jack; Hathaway was asked to read Alma but identified with Lorraine. — Bill Simmons
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1:45:33

The Joey Pants “That Guy” Award

David Harbor

David Harbor

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  • David Harbor wins as someone who was recognizable before Stranger Things made him widely named. — Bill Simmons
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1:46:03

The Dion Waiters Award for Best Heat Check Performance

Randy Quaid

Randy Quaid

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1:50:06

The Rick Dalton Award for the Greatest Fucking Acting I’ve Ever Seen

Ledger’s distinct performances in10 Things, A Knight’s Tale, Brokeback and Dark Knight make the actor disappear.

Ledger’s distinct performances in10 Things, A Knight’s Tale, Brokeback and Dark Knight make the actor disappear.

Flex pick · Craig Horlbeck

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  • Ledger’s distinct performances in10 Things, A Knight’s Tale, Brokeback and Dark Knight make the actor disappear. — Craig Horlbeck
  • Comparisons with Pattinson, Chalamet, DiCaprio and others emphasize unusually wide range at a young age; the point is accepted. — Wesley Morris
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1:53:34

Steven Seagal shitting on himself award for most unbelievable anecdote from the actual film shoot

Williams reportedly asked the leads to kiss in front of her to find Alma’s emotional state and pushed them beyond hal...

Williams reportedly asked the leads to kiss in front of her to find Alma’s emotional state and pushed them beyond halfhearted attempts.

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  • Williams reportedly asked the leads to kiss in front of her to find Alma’s emotional state and pushed them beyond halfhearted attempts. — Wesley Morris
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1:54:38

Half-Assed Internet Research

The tent scene reportedly took13 takes and used the13th.

The tent scene reportedly took13 takes and used the13th.

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  • The tent scene reportedly took13 takes and used the13th. — Wesley Morris
  • Ledger’s horse experience and accent study, Alberta filming and multiple actor injuries are reported. — Bill Simmons
  • A Utah theater owner reportedly removed the film over family-values objections; Focus responded, and simultaneous DVD/download release is called a first. — Bill Simmons
  • International titles are discussed, with Beyond Friendship especially liked. — Bill Simmons
  • Proulx reportedly regretted fan pressure to rewrite the ending; the story is praised for concision and description. — Bill Simmons
  • Day-Lewis’s tribute, a rejected three-day hippie-river sequence and Proulx addressing an autograph to Ennis are recounted. — Bill Simmons
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1:59:27

Apex Mountain

Ledger’s living-career peak and Lee’s creative freedom: yes

Ledger’s living-career peak and Lee’s creative freedom: yes

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  • Ledger’s living-career apex and Lee’s creative freedom are placed here; Gyllenhaal’s comes later around End of Watch and Prisoners. — Bill Simmons
  • Williams and Hathaway are rejected; traumatized Williams wives peak in Manchester, and a sheep-film counterexample is favored. — Wesley Morris
  • Gay Westerns qualify, while Power of the Dog does not work for either participant. — Wesley Morris
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2:02:02

Cruise or Hanks?

Tom Cruise as Jack, though he likely would not accept

Tom Cruise as Jack, though he likely would not accept

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  • Cruise could be an excellent Jack, though he is thought unlikely to accept it in any era; Pacino and Cazale are earlier hypothetical possibilities. — Bill Simmons
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2:03:15

Scorsese or Spielberg?

Spielberg, though a Scorsese romance is intriguing

Spielberg, though a Scorsese romance is intriguing

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  • Spielberg is the obvious choice, but Scorsese attempting this kind of romance is intriguing, with Age of Innocence as a precedent. — Wesley Morris
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2:04:11

What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman play?

Quaid’s role

Quaid’s role

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2:04:27

Picking Nits

Months of beans and a supposedly newborn baby looking four months old

Months of beans and a supposedly newborn baby looking four months old

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  • Months of beans and a supposedly newborn baby looking four months old are criticized. — Bill Simmons
  • Alma Jr and the parents’ invitation are recalled; never opening the fishing equipment is foolish, though it reveals absorption and disregard for Alma.
  • What filled weeklong trips without fishing is debated; walks, Jack’s equipment, cards and board games are possibilities.
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2:12:51

Is This Movie Better With…?

Sam Jackson as the cabin man or a fisherman; Doris Burke narrating the sheep work

Sam Jackson as the cabin man or a fisherman; Doris Burke narrating the sheep work

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  • Sam Jackson is imagined as the cabin man or a nearby fisherman; Doris Burke could narrate the sheep work. — Bill Simmons
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2:14:22

Just One Oscar

Best Picture

Best Picture

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  • Best Picture is chosen to honor everyone, with Ledger, Lee and the already-winning score considered. — Bill Simmons
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2:14:42

Probably Unanswerable Questions

Jack’s possible new relationship raises jealousy questions, but Ennis alone visits the parents and offers to take the...

Jack’s possible new relationship raises jealousy questions, but Ennis alone visits the parents and offers to take the ashes.

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  • Jack’s possible new relationship raises jealousy questions, but Ennis alone visits the parents and offers to take the ashes. — Bill Simmons
  • Hathaway reportedly filmed knowing and unknowing versions of the death call; combining them preserves whether Lorraine knows the truth. — Bill Simmons
  • Jack, I swear is deliberately unresolved; the story describes an answer to a question Jack never asked. — Wesley Morris
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2:17:21

What Piece of Memorabilia Would You Want From This Movie?

The shirts.

The shirts.

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  • The shirts sold on eBay in2006 for101,000; their worth now is unknown. — Bill Simmons
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2:17:41

The Coach Finstock Award for Best Life Lesson

Follow your heart; accept being in love; endure what cannot be fixed; reject needing nothing as defeatist

Follow your heart; accept being in love; endure what cannot be fixed; reject needing nothing as defeatist

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  • Follow your heart and accept being in love are offered; enduring what cannot be fixed is admired, while needing nothing because one has nothing is rejected as defeatist. — Wesley Morris
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2:18:46

Best Double Feature

Moonlight or Dark Night
Brokeback Mountain
Moonlight
The Dark Knight
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  • Moonlight is one choice; Dark Night is another to show Ledger’s range, and both receive approval. — Bill Simmons
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2:18:56

Who Won the Movie?

Heath Ledger

Heath Ledger

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  • Ledger wins with repeated support, while Lee is acknowledged as a tough alternative; the lost future work shapes Ledger’s legacy. — Bill Simmons
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2:19:40

Producer review

Loved it; the ending was the favorite and “Jack, I swear” was beautifully vague

Loved it; the ending was the favorite and “Jack, I swear” was beautifully vague

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  • The invited producer and his wife loved their first viewing; the ending is his favorite and Jack, I swear is beautifully vague.
  • The film’s box-office success is contrasted with a present environment where such material would likely become a television series. — Craig Horlbeck
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2:22:48

Recasting Couch

Transcript-observed Ashton Coucher and Orlando Bloom, with chemistry essential

Transcript-observed Ashton Coucher and Orlando Bloom, with chemistry essential

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  • Chemistry is essential; an alternate2005 version with Ashton Coucher and Orlando Bloom is imagined. — Wesley Morris
  • More ordinary-looking men could fit the story, with McBride, Gillis and Plemons reconsidered; Ferrell and Riley carry too much comedy baggage. — Wesley Morris
  • Nathan Fielder is floated then rejected. — Bill Simmons
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Ledger’s death changes the viewing context; an earlier desire for more explicit sex gives way to appreciation of patient adult love, while first viewing and sexual marketing are recalled.
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Playing ordinary men in a tragic gay romance posed career risks in2005; lasting iconography, Ledger refusing an Oscars joke, and later normalization through Moonlight and Call Me by Your Name are discussed.
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The2005 Oscar field and edited television kissing frame shifting visibility. Jack is read as clearly gay, while Ennis’s self-understanding and labels remain debated; love resists neat categorization.
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The short story’s explicit hand placement differs from the film. Ledger’s automatic response and guardedness suggest unspoken desire; his accent is teased but praised as regionally convincing.
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A cultural-impact shortlist is expressly flexible; the initial belief Brokeback was missing from the newspaper list is corrected to number17.
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Star-crossed romance depends on believing limited time together. Gyllenhaal’s pursuer and romantic roles are undervalued beside Ledger; the opening glances are compared with Before Sunrise.
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Quiet camp work, changing jobs, seasons and landscape make emotional closeness visible; nature and a need for warmth join desire in bringing the men together.
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Ang Lee is called perceptive, observant and patient. Hulk is defended despite its reputation, and this romance is preferred in some ways to Call Me by Your Name; it could communicate love even without explicit sex.
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Hulk is called one of the best, then definitely the best of that ilk of motion picture; another speaker expresses surprise.
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The four actors arrive from different career stages. Ledger’s ambitious choices, disliked Casanova performance, hypothetical future roles and Hathaway’s reported observation of his subtle limp are discussed.
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Monster’s Ball and Million Dollar Baby proposed together as a grim hypothetical double feature; separate from the formal later double-feature category.
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Lords of Dogtown is loved, called wonderful and lived in, with performers who understand their movie.
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Ledger’s unrecognizable characterization, constrained movement, adolescent anticipation and final scenes earn praise; reported masculinity doubts and Day-Lewis admiration are noted.
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Lost careers are compared with Phoenix and Cazale; Gyllenhaal’s reinvention, rodeo-pursuer metaphor and the cast’s offscreen family ties are discussed.
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Crash’s win is condemned; Hoffman’s Capote Oscar is defended despite Ledger’s greatness. Gyllenhaal’s supporting placement is disputed as category fraud, and Williams is favored over the supporting-actress field.
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A14-million budget and179-million worldwide gross are reported.
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The travel commitment prompts I Drove All Night comparisons and a personal account of running from Cambridge to Back Bay.
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Terms of Endearment is called a perfect movie.
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A future written100-best-unnominated-performances project is announced, starting with1951 Streetcar after correcting an initial Waterfront date; no completed list is given.
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Farrell or McConaughey alongside Norton in a Schumacher version are hypothetical riffs, not documented offers.
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Hathaway is admired despite not loving Rachel Getting Married, where DeWitt is preferred; Untamed prompts a tangent about formulaic television and AI.
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Cardellini’s Green Book work is suggested for an Oscar despite hatred of the film. The ending’s letters admission is defended as moving; a claim of pretending to have watched it is retracted as uncertain memory.
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Observed El Quatro Vultra, described as an Italian sheep film, is one of a speaker’s favorite movies; canonical identity remains unresolved.
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Observed Cruz in Pacino context is called one of the five greatest movies of all time; membership claim only, not ordinal rank five; canonical film identity remains a candidate.
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Age of Innocence is one of a speaker’s favorite Scorsese films.
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The mature recognition that love exceeds sex reframes the film’s radicalism. Doomed love through refusal is compared with Casablanca, Manchester and Big, whose age problem complicates its romance.
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Hathaway’s enthusiasm for acting is defended; a Devil Wears Prada sequel prompts competing interest and fatigue with late sequels.
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