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A western rather than a cop movie

Mallory Rubin: The film is argued to be a western and love story with cops, rather than fundamentally a cop movie.

Mallory Rubin: The other response agrees that the police plot is mostly machinery, without the usual station scenes.

There’s never only one way

Bill Simmons: There’s never only one way is the agreed life lesson.

The film

Witness (1985)

Directed by Peter Weir · Crime

117 minutes

Cast

Selected cast credits · Film reference

Harrison Ford Detective Captain John Book
Kelly McGillis Rachel Lapp
Josef Sommer Chief Paul Schaeffer
Lukas Haas Samuel Lapp
Jan Rubeš Eli Lapp
Alexander Godunov Daniel Hochleitner
Danny Glover Lieutenant James McFee
Brent Jennings Sergeant Elton Carter
Patti LuPone Elaine Book
Angus MacInnes Sergeant Leon "Fergie" Ferguson
Viggo Mortensen Moses Hochleitner
Frederick Rolf Stoltzfus
Timothy Carhart Detective Ian Zenovich
John Garson Bishop Tchantz
Richard Chaves Detective Sykes
Beverly May Mrs. Yoder
Ed Crowley sheriff
Sylvia Kauders Tourist lady
Marian Swan Mrs. Schaeffer
Maria Bradley Schaeffer's daughter
Rozwill Young T-Bone
Paul S. Nuss Amish
John D. King Amish
Paul Goss Amish
William Francis Town man
Tom W. Kennedy Ticket seller
Ardyth Kaiser Couple in garage
Tom Quinn Couple in garage
Eugene Dooley Detective

Everything from the episode

In the order the hosts got to it. Open a row for the discussion.

38:40

Most Rewatchable Scene

Barn dance; final confrontation

Barn dance; final confrontation

In the discussion (14)
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  • Opening travel and Samuel's expressive child performance are admired; a child-actor Oscar is proposed and the intensity is less straightforward in adult roles. — Bill Simmons
  • The bathroom murder excels through the stall switch, tiny hands, eyes and hat retrieval, the latter compared to Indiana Jones. — Mallory Rubin
  • Recognizing Glover's photograph is praised for silence, slow motion, eye contact and Book lowering the finger. — Mallory Rubin
  • The parking-garage shootout and blood reveal provide smart thriller action, with the elevator motorist adding comedy. — Mallory Rubin
  • Eli's gun conversation supplies a moving moral argument about hands and hearts, compared to Gandalf's restraint. — Mallory Rubin
  • The barn dance is the easiest scene choice and an exceptional personal favorite; it also receives the needle-drop award. — Mallory Rubin
  • The barn dance embodies desire through awkwardness, sweat, lighting and near-kisses; Ford reportedly chose the song, performed as a cover because original rights were unavailable. — Mallory Rubin
  • The barn raising makes communal work riveting, integrates Ford's carpentry, and conveys rivalry and gossip through lemonade and lunch gestures. — Mallory Rubin
  • The bath invitation communicates Rachel's confidence and defiance while Book hesitates; lightning, the mirror and the open door make desire visible. — Mallory Rubin
  • Punching the bully is a satisfying conventional 1980s beat following news of the partner's death; Book openly distinguishes his methods from Amish ones. — Mallory Rubin
  • The final invasion uses Samuel, livestock and the silo effectively; the surviving chief's surrender is an unusual moral collapse rather than routine violent death. — Bill Simmons
  • Glover was reportedly originally to die by mule, changed to a shooting at Ford's request; Book's use of farm knowledge pays off earlier scenes. — Mallory Rubin
  • The climax is the other final scene preference for spatial clarity, renewed thriller tension and the near miss before Book's planned departure; Schaefer likely learns the location only after the bully incident. — Mallory Rubin
  • The barn dance and final confrontation remain split preferences. — Bill Simmons
1:00:22

The most 1985 thing

Electronic score

Electronic score

In the discussion (3)
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  • The coffee-commercial reference is a period candidate and reportedly references Ford missing that advertisement role. — Mallory Rubin
  • Elaine's appearance and deleted Donkey Kong scene date the film; hiding a paper address would fail in a modern digital system. — Mallory Rubin
  • The electronic Maurice Jarre score is the stated most-1985 choice, admired but strongly of its era. — Bill Simmons
1:06:30

What’s Aged the Best?

Screenplay restraint; Ford holding a kitten; dirty cops; Ford’s career; lighting; cast; milking scene; dialogue-free ...

Screenplay restraint; Ford holding a kitten; dirty cops; Ford’s career; lighting; cast; milking scene; dialogue-free farewell

In the discussion (6)
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  • The screenplay choices and Ford holding the kitten are aged-best selections; the kitten image is requested as funeral imagery. — Bill Simmons
  • Dirty cops losing their principles, Ford's run, visual restraint, Dutch-master lighting and inexperienced supporting players are aged-best choices. — Mallory Rubin
  • Haas's unexpected later place in DiCaprio's social circle is noted with basketball-role comparisons. — Mallory Rubin
  • The early milking scene, its teat joke and calling Book English remain funny. — Bill Simmons
  • Godunov's life and early death are discussed; Amish observers reportedly watched but would not appear, with Mennonites among the extras. — Bill Simmons
  • The dialogue-free final romantic farewell is preferred to the scripted explanation. — Mallory Rubin
1:12:33

The Great Shot Gordo Award for Most Cinematic Shot

Sponge bath; Book over the car roof; Samuel’s eyes through the door

Sponge bath; Book over the car roof; Samuel’s eyes through the door

In the discussion (1)
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  • The sponge bath, Book over the car roof and Samuel's eyes through the door are cinematic-shot candidates; the eye shot is reportedly soft-focused and Weir pressed the child for greater fear. — Mallory Rubin
1:15:44

The Butch’s Girlfriend Award for the Weakest Link in the Film

Rachel’s quick romantic transition; Book’s insufficient concern for Carter and Elaine

Rachel’s quick romantic transition; Book’s insufficient concern for Carter and Elaine

In the discussion (2)
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  • Rachel seemingly moves on too quickly after her husband's death; the counterargument says Daniel pursues her and Ford's appeal is exceptional, while conceding limited visible mourning. — Mallory Rubin
  • Book shows insufficient urgency about danger to Carter and Elaine; protecting Samuel explains some caution but does not eliminate the risk. — Mallory Rubin
1:18:46

What’s Aged the Worst?

Amish beards; Oscar results; racial profiling; disputed laughing kiss

Amish beards; Oscar results; racial profiling; disputed laughing kiss

In the discussion (2)
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  • Amish beards, that year's Oscar results and racially profiling T-bone are aged-worst choices. — Mallory Rubin
  • Laughing during the slow-motion kiss is criticized; the defense reads it as joy and feral desire rather than ridicule. — Bill Simmons
1:21:51

The Ruffalo / Hanna / Rubinek / Partridge Overacting Award

Eli’s laugh after the milking joke

Eli’s laugh after the milking joke

In the discussion (1)
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  • Eli's exaggerated laugh after the teat line is the tentative overacting choice; the other response finds no candidate in such an understated film. — Bill Simmons
1:22:10

The Stephen A. Smith Hottest Take Award

A western rather than a cop movie; John Book as Ford’s richest role

A western rather than a cop movie; John Book as Ford’s richest role

In the discussion (7)
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  • The film is argued to be a western and love story with cops, rather than fundamentally a cop movie. — Mallory Rubin
  • The other response agrees that the police plot is mostly machinery, without the usual station scenes. — Mallory Rubin
  • John Book is proposed as Ford’s richest and hardest role, above Indiana Jones and Han Solo. — Bill Simmons
  • Redford is considered less sexually convincing, while Pitt or mid-to-late-2000s DiCaprio might manage the role. — Bill Simmons
  • The difficulty of combining action, romance and rapport with a child is agreed, though not necessarily the number-one ranking. — Bill Simmons
  • Crowe is another possible performer, with Proof of Life cited and his magnetism debated. — Bill Simmons
  • Book, Han Solo and Indiana Jones are proposed as parallel peaks rather than a single best role, with Kimble added as a possibility. — Mallory Rubin
1:28:39

The Joey Pants “That Guy” Award

Carter’s actor

Carter’s actor

In the discussion (1)
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  • Carter's actor, remembered from Another 48 Hrs., is the That Guy choice. — Mallory Rubin
1:28:46

The Dion Waiters Award for Best Heat Check Performance

Danny Glover; Patti LuPone

Danny Glover; Patti LuPone

In the discussion (1)
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1:33:14

Apex Mountain

Amish movie characters; corn silos; sponge baths; evil Danny Glover; Lukas Haas

Amish movie characters; corn silos; sponge baths; evil Danny Glover; Lukas Haas

In the discussion (8)
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  • Ford's Apex is tentatively this prestige breakthrough after earlier franchise peaks, because of the Oscar nomination and first-choice status. — Bill Simmons
  • McGillis peaks at Top Gun instead. — Mallory Rubin
  • Amish film characters receive an affirmative Apex; evil Philadelphia police remains uncertain. — Bill Simmons
  • Corn silos and sponge baths receive affirmative Apex support; corn generally is less certain. — Bill Simmons
  • The upper-body-only bath and Book's toileting while injured raise practical questions. — Mallory Rubin
  • Evil Glover receives affirmative Apex with Shooter an alternative; Godunov peaks at Die Hard. — Bill Simmons
  • Haas receives affirmative acting support then a joking later social-life alternative; train-station murder goes to Blow Out and Mortensen to Aragorn. — Mallory Rubin
  • Weir's Apex is Dead Poets Society rather than Witness, given subsequent clout and lasting impact. — Mallory Rubin
1:39:14

Cruise or Hanks?

Cruise; Hanks

Cruise; Hanks

In the discussion (1)
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  • Cruise and Hanks initially split; Hanks feels more like a Philadelphia cop, and Cruise's existing McGillis chemistry is a drawback. — Bill Simmons
1:46:17

Sequel, Prequel, Limited Series, or All-Black Remake

Untouchable

Untouchable

In the discussion (1)
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  • The film is untouchable: expanding to television would lose its economical tension. — Bill Simmons
1:46:41

Is This Movie Better With…?

Wayne Jenkins

Wayne Jenkins

In the discussion (1)
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1:47:35

Just One Oscar

Harrison Ford; Best Picture

Harrison Ford; Best Picture

In the discussion (1)
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  • Ford's acting and the film itself split the one-Oscar preferences. — Bill Simmons
1:55:07

What Piece of Memorabilia Would You Want From This Movie?

Birdhouse

Birdhouse

In the discussion (1)
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  • The birdhouse is the final memorabilia choice over a sponge, hats, bonnet, toy and car; the tombstone suggestion is a joke. — Mallory Rubin
1:56:02

The Coach Finstock Award for Best Life Lesson

There’s never only one way

There’s never only one way

In the discussion (1)
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  • There’s never only one way is the agreed life lesson. — Bill Simmons
1:56:50

Who Won the Movie?

Harrison Ford

Harrison Ford

In the discussion (1)
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Mentions across The Rewatchables

Recorded movie reference

Top Gun

The Rewatchables · aired July 23, 2019

Witness is listed in the sourced research for this episode. The precise discussion has not been linked yet.