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Old School

year 2003decade 00sdirector Todd Phillipsgenre Drama
host Bill Simmonshost Chris Ryanhost Sean Fennessey
All 16 categories

Most Rewatchable Scene · 16:30

The kitchen scene at Mitch's new house: earmuffs and Frank with the hockey stick

Four opening nominations: Frank the Tank at Mitchapalooza through the streaking and the women driving slowly beside him; the green-hat oral-sex class; the dart-gun birthday party, including the bread maker re-gifted a third time; and Blue dying during the KY wrestling match, which may run into Blue's funeral and Will Ferrell singing.

Another nomination is the first meeting in the kitchen at Luke Wilson's new place, with earmuffs and Frank walking around with a hockey stick destroying things, watched eight times that week; everybody knows the guy who picks up the hockey stick mid-conversation and makes you afraid something will break.

The Neil McCauley “A Book about Metals” Award for Best Line from the Movie · 57:38

"Blue, you're my boy!"

It comes down to Blue, you're my boy; 'fill it up again, once it hits your lips it's so good'; 'I thought we were in the trust tree in the nest'; and the earmuffs exchange ending with Frank's 'cock balls', which the hosts re-enact.

The film

Old School (2003)

Directed by Todd Phillips · Drama

90 minutes

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Cast

Selected cast credits · Film reference

Luke Wilson Mitch "The Godfather" Martin
Will Ferrell Frank "The Tank" Ricard
Vince Vaughn Bernard "Beanie" Campbell
Jeremy Piven Dean Gordon "Cheese" Pritchard
Ellen Pompeo Nicole
Leah Remini Lara Campbell
Perrey Reeves Marissa Jones
Elisha Cuthbert Darcie Goldberg
Harve Presnell Mr. Springbrook
Artie Lange Booker
Matt Walsh Walsh
Sara Tanaka Megan Huang
Sarah Shahi Erica
Todd Phillips Gang Bang Guy
Bryan Callen Avi, the Waiter
Snoop Dogg himself
James Carville himself
Warren G himself
Kokane himself
Terry O'Quinn Goldberg (uncredited)
Andy Dick Oral Sex Instructor (uncredited)
Ashley Jones Caterer
Arthur Taxier Professor
The Dan Band Wedding band

Everything from the episode

In the order the hosts got to it. Open a row for the discussion.

16:30

Most Rewatchable Scene

The kitchen scene at Mitch's new house: earmuffs and Frank with the hockey stick

The kitchen scene at Mitch's new house: earmuffs and Frank with the hockey stick

In the discussion (8)
Approx. transcript time · 00:16:30Read transcript
  • Four opening nominations: Frank the Tank at Mitchapalooza through the streaking and the women driving slowly beside him; the green-hat oral-sex class; the dart-gun birthday party, including the bread maker re-gifted a third time; and Blue dying during the KY wrestling match, which may run into Blue's funeral and Will Ferrell singing.
  • Another nomination is the first meeting in the kitchen at Luke Wilson's new place, with earmuffs and Frank walking around with a hockey stick destroying things, watched eight times that week; everybody knows the guy who picks up the hockey stick mid-conversation and makes you afraid something will break.
  • The first scene with Jeremy Piven's character is very funny and a weirdly good Piven performance, subverting his PCU character now that he is old enough to be the dean; it is pre-Entourage and before he found the right toupee.
  • The opening with Juliette Lewis and two people in the bathroom, with Todd Phillips at the door, is nominated as a great twist on the familiar scene of a man coming home to noises in the bedroom; it is a good Luke Wilson scene too, and probably her best grown-up performance for one host, who otherwise fears her Natural Born Killers mode.
  • Asked for the most rewatchable, the pick is the hockey stick scene. — Chris Ryan
  • Another host goes with Frank the Tank coming back to life, from the guys pressing Frank to have a drink through the 'nice little Saturday' Home Depot speech to 'we're going streaking', and plays the clip; whether the scene runs into his wife finding him and the Speaker City speech is debated.
  • Other candidates: Vince Vaughn mouthing along to his own commercial, Will Ferrell talking about the car's restrictor plate, the wedding with 'it takes a real man to give away an angel' and the under-the-breath 'this is such a mistake, you got to run' muttering in the church that kills Will Ferrell, and drunk Luke Wilson meeting Ellen Pompeo with 'Denver, the sunshine state'; the hard thing with comedies is whether something is a moment or a scene.
  • The third host goes earmuffs along with Chris, calling it the most iconic thing in the film aside from the streaking and the most repeated line in his life; the hosts realize earmuffs came from this film, wonder whether it was a Vince Vaughn ad lib or something heard around LA, admit owing him royalties for Ringer-office use, and play the clip.
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24:08

What’s Aged the Best?

Earmuffs

Earmuffs

In the discussion (11)
Approx. transcript time · 00:24:08Read transcript
  • Luke Wilson disrobing when frisked at the airport, about a year and a half after 9-11, was the first time anyone had fun with TSA, set to Ryan Adams's To Be Young, called one of the best songs of all time; Ellen Pompeo, about to become one of the most bankable TV stars of forty years, is a baby here with an under-written part; Perry Reeves looks the same as in Entourage and Kicking and Screaming and should have had a bigger career.
  • Earmuffs will probably win the category; the Dan Band swearing through the wedding song is great, especially the cut to Vince Vaughn with his hand up and the freeze-frame reactions of Will Ferrell and Perry Reeves when the first 'fucking' drops.
  • The Dan Band are in The Hangover and other Todd Phillips films, were LA legends who played bigger bars and Jimmy's show, a host's wife went to five or six shows, and Dan the leader co-wrote a song in the Netflix film Dumplin'.
  • Snoop Dogg is caught at a great moment with Cocaine and Warren G as DJ and Don Magic Wand (as transcribed) at his side, reportedly doing the music to get into Starsky and Hutch; a four-minute performance in the film is odd, and Melissa McCarthy's Life of the Party lifts the structure with a Christina Aguilera performance.
  • Craig Kilborn is fun to see, maybe the first person to appear in both aged best and aged worst: a memorable shitheel character in two scenes and the credits, yet he reads lines the way he read The Daily Show and cannot act next to professionals, which is presumably why he has not kept acting; as stunt casting it worked.
  • The closing credits have aged the best for one host: Kilborn crashes while smoking, goes over a bridge and kills a fly-fishing Jeremy Piven, two and a half minutes of credits story; Porky's and Cannonball Run bloopers are recalled, and The Hangover's Polaroid credits are called the best ever.
  • The soundtrack is a murderers' row of weird music: Papered Up, Paid in Full, Dust in the Wind, Hungry Like the Wolf, Gonna Make You Sweat, The Sound of Silence, Total Clips of the Heart (as transcribed), Lady, Metallica, and Here I Go Again played about four times.
  • Not Craig Kilborn; this is the best Luke Wilson performance. — Chris Ryan
  • This and Tenenbaums are called the alpha and omega of Luke Wilson, a good everyman for a while; the fuller Luke Wilson conversation is saved for unanswerable questions.
  • The film launched Will Ferrell, who has made one host laugh more than anyone since 2000; earmuffs is settled on as what aged best because people still say it as ordinary conversation rather than a movie line, like Kleenex.
  • A late addition: You're My Boy Blue, along with earmuffs, is in the lexicon and deserved a shout-out, as does the running bit of repeatedly calling some random guy Spanish; the clip of Blue is played.
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32:24

What’s Aged the Worst?

Luke Wilson's character sleeping with Elisha Cuthbert's high-school character

Luke Wilson's character sleeping with Elisha Cuthbert's high-school character

In the discussion (5)
Approx. transcript time · 00:32:24Read transcript
  • A philosophical question first: does aged worst mean what has become offensive or what seems antiquated, like a 1984 action scene or seventies red-paint gunfights; the answer is simply what has aged poorly, and here it is Elisha Cuthbert's high-school character at the top of the list.
  • Kilborn's acting is brutal; Piven's toupee needed another trip to the shop; Artie Lang (as transcribed) and Matt Walsh, two of the funniest people, are misused and told to play it serious, probably a favor and a paycheck around the Howard Stern years after Dirty Work.
  • James Carville has aged worst two ways: why is he in it, and sixteen years later younger viewers do not know who he is; when the film turns into a Back to School competition, as Stripes does by going to war and Animal House started, the last fifteen minutes are entertaining but forced, which is why stunts like Carville are needed; Craig knows Carville mainly from Bill Hader on SNL.
  • Luke Wilson sleeping with a high-school girl who then greets him on his date with Ellen Pompeo is a tough beat; she might have been 18, which would have aged less badly, though the Terry O'Quinn scene has him say she is seven months from college, so she is 17 or 18 and either way not great.
  • Brian Cowan's (as transcribed) agent is added to what aged worst, out of frustration that his career was not bigger.
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36:14

The Dion Waiters Award for Best Heat Check Performance

Juliette Lewis

Juliette Lewis

In the discussion (5)
Approx. transcript time · 00:36:14Read transcript
  • Craig Kilburn (as transcribed) is nominated because he probably regards it as a heat check; Juliette Lewis was incredible in only two scenes, one the supermarket invitation in the closing credits, like an amateur porn star before the term existed; the Dan Band and the actor who played Blue are also named.
  • Sean William Scott (as transcribed) as the animal trainer Peppers is added for yanking the goat's chain and for his reaction to the dart gun, 'you just took one in the jugular, man', played as a clip.
  • Juliette Lewis is one host's winner, with five threes in nine minutes; Brian Callen as the Greek waiter with 'it is on me, Godfather' is a weird performance, and he is a favorite who never made it despite MADtv and Inside Schwartz, now around the Rogan and UFC podcast world.
  • Terry O'Quinn, uncredited, post-X-Files and pre-Lost, in two scenes, does not qualify; he was just a big guy in movies until Lost revived his career; two hosts go Juliette Lewis.
  • Bows to Juliette Lewis but is a big Sean William Scott (as transcribed) supporter. — Chris Ryan
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45:56

Apex Mountain

Vince Vaughn; Luke Wilson

Vince Vaughn; Luke Wilson

In the discussion (8)
Approx. transcript time · 00:45:56Read transcript
  • Craig Kilburn (as transcribed) is a no: not this, not SportsCenter where one host thought he was God, but his first season of The Daily Show; he probably regards this as his apex because he had the CBS late-night show and this part, which is more than a cameo, and the hosts like him and have had him on their podcasts.
  • Will Ferrell is a no: his apex has to come from his movie career, Anchorman, since his SNL apex was 2000 with Strategery as Bush.
  • Vince Vaughn is a yes for one host, not only his best but the revival that leads to Dodgeball and Wedding Crashers and gets him out from under The Cell; another goes Wedding Crashers a year later, when it was no longer a fluke, he was dating Jennifer Aniston and on the cover of Us Weekly, one of the biggest stars in the world for a year and a half.
  • Luke Wilson is a yes: this is his mainstream run with Legally Blonde 2 and Charlie's Angels, when he got the lead white-guy roles, and in a different era he would be in the Harrison Ford zone, which the others call blasphemous and a wild take; he is a comedy actor like Charles Grodin, not an action lead.
  • The Luke Wilson conversation: one host does not think he is very good, lucked into the right movies, benefited from his creative brother Owen and Wes Anderson, and keeps replicating the doe-eyed Bottle Rocket regular guy in Charlie's Angels, Legally Blonde and this; others love his persona now as a golf, bourbon and Cowboys sportsman you could meet on a semi-private course on a Thursday with a Tecate.
  • The defense of the take: they fucked up by not waiting to make Star Wars until Luke Wilson was around to play Han Solo, and had he stayed in game shape there was an action-movie path for him. — Chris Ryan
  • Elisha Cuthbert draws a no, 24 season 1, against the argument that 24 began around 2001 and this came a couple of years in, about as good as it got; whether Girl Next Door is her best performance is asked, and she is incredible on Happy Endings.
  • Patrick Crenshaw (as transcribed) is probably at his apex here, going out high.
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53:14

The Joey Pants “That Guy” Award

Patrick Fischler (transcribed 'Fishler'), Jeremy Piven's henchman; Patrick J. Adams (transcribed 'Patrick Adams'), th...

Patrick Fischler (transcribed 'Fishler'), Jeremy Piven's henchman; Patrick J. Adams (transcribed 'Patrick Adams'), the guitarist during Dust in the Wind

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Approx. transcript time · 00:53:14Read transcript
  • With a lot of nominees, one host gives it to the Mad Men actor who plays Jeremy Piven's henchman, name unknown, who later turned up on Mad Men as Bobby Barrett's husband, the mean comedian in season one, and tells the diner story in Mulholland Drive before the dumpster scene.
  • Another host has a different winner: a far-background player, Patrick Adams, who plays guitar during Dust in the Wind and became the star of Suits.
  • The henchman's name is supplied as Patrick Fishler (as transcribed), a very good character actor; not knowing a name while naming nine credits is how the Joey Pants Award is won.
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54:17

Is This Movie Better With…?

None needed; Steve Buscemi as the principal and Danny Trejo as a silent frat brother floated; Michael K. Williams doe...

None needed; Steve Buscemi as the principal and Danny Trejo as a silent frat brother floated; Michael K. Williams does not fit

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Approx. transcript time · 00:54:17Read transcript
  • Buscemi maybe could have played the principal; Treo (as transcribed) would have been a great frat member, the intimidating mute guy they pulled in; Michael K. Williams does not fit and would have been weird; nobody thought the film needed any of the three, a tough category for this one.
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55:03

The Ruffalo / Hanna / Rubinek / Partridge Overacting Award

Andy Dick

Andy Dick

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Approx. transcript time · 00:55:03Read transcript
  • It comes down to Sean William Scott (as transcribed) and Andy Dick; Andy Dick, out of his mind in his one scene and perhaps literally so at the time, is the pick, with a warning not to sleep on Scott really going for it.
  • Ferrell has many Rubinek-esque moments, 'we're going streaking' at the top of his lungs and his speech to the pledges with cinder blocks tied to them, 'do you believe that I don't want to see you get hurt'; Andy Dick is still the answer.
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1:01:19

Sequel, Prequel, Limited Series, or All-Black Remake

No

No

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  • The back-to-college film keeps getting remade, Melissa McCarthy's last year included, but as a show about thirty-somethings at college it would not work: there has never been a frat TV show like this, and a series would belabor the midlife-crisis elements, which is not why anyone watches Old School.
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1:05:51

Who Won the Movie?

Todd Phillips; Vince Vaughn; Will Ferrell

Todd Phillips; Vince Vaughn; Will Ferrell

In the discussion (5)
Approx. transcript time · 01:05:51Read transcript
  • Todd Phillips for one host: he is bigger than Apatow by box office though nobody thinks of him that way, his next film is a Joker movie, and he will probably be Oscar-nominated this year as a producer of A Star Is Born with partner Bradley Cooper; Cooper's Toronto premiere speech crediting Phillips's note of belief made Cooper Ali (as transcribed) and Phillips Jackson.
  • The Ringer ran a Mike Powell profile of Phillips at launch in summer 2016 with Cooper and others quoted going to bat for him; his real skill, learned from Ivan Reitman, is choosing people at the right time, as with Ferrell and writing for Vaughn; the vote is Todd Phillips.
  • Another host goes Vince Vaughn for variety, calling him incredible with every line quotable.
  • The pick is Will Ferrell because the film launches his comedy run. — Bill Simmons
  • Tic-tac-toe, three different answers; sorry Luke Wilson; a joke about whether a note saying nobody believes in you like I believe in you should have been given in 2012 to the host then running the Triangle at Grantland.
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