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Ocean's Twelve

125 minutes

Cast

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George Clooney Danny Ocean
Brad Pitt Robert "Rusty" Ryan
Matt Damon Linus Caldwell
Catherine Zeta-Jones Isabel Lahiri
Andy García Terry Benedict
Julia Roberts Tess Ocean
Bernie Mac Frank Catton
Elliott Gould Reuben Tishkoff
Casey Affleck Virgil Malloy
Scott Caan Turk Malloy
Eddie Jemison Livingston Dell
Don Cheadle Basher Tarr
Carl Reiner Saul Bloom
Vincent Cassel Baron François Toulour
Eddie Izzard Roman Nagel
Cherry Jones Mrs. Caldwell / Molly Starr
Albert Finney Gaspar LeMarc
Jared Harris Basher's Engineer
Bruce Willis Himself
Topher Grace Himself
Jerry Weintraub Denny Shields

Ocean's Twelve | The Rewatchables

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Most Rewatchable Scene

Tess-goes-to-Rome hotel scene with Bruce Willis

In the discussion (22)
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  • The reunion of the crew is nominated; Scott Khan (as transcribed) is called really good, and the 'it was one job that we did together' proprietary-stance exchange is quoted, with a take where a cast member cracks up kept in.
  • The breakdown of the Vanderwood heist is nominated for Damon objecting to calling someone a freak and invoking Emily Dickinson; it plays like an Altman scene of overlapping dialogue, and subtitles reveal Pitt muttering 'don't touch my food.'
  • The Matsui meeting with Robbie Coltrane is a five-minute scene in which no one knows what anyone is saying, capped by Damon reciting the lyrics to Kashmir.
  • The train-station banter about how old Rusty is ('How old do you think I am?') is nominated.
  • An 'Amanda Dobbins Memorial pick' goes to Vincent Cassel's introductory montage, with a plea to always film on location.
  • Rusty and Danny getting drunk on red wine and watching Happy Days dubbed in Italian is nominated, with praise for the Potsie dubbing.
  • Bruce Willis in the hotel, the whole Tess-comes-to-Rome stretch, the Faberge theft and the Night Fox's capoeira dance all feed the last 25 minutes before the final reveals.
  • The reintroduction of the crew is singled out, especially Danny in the bank at the start, which has Thomas Crown Affair energy; his choosing not to rob the bank pivots the film from a grittier American tale to an international extravaganza. — Sean Fennessey
  • The bank opening is also a nod to the start of Out of Sight; Rusty visiting Tover Grace (as transcribed) and the matador-suit stand-up routine are further nominees.
  • The film's title cards and timelines do not add up, but it is a movie of flashing moments, such as the Night Fox's story about Lamarca and the American businessman played by producer Jerry Weintraub.
  • Cherry Jones's moment with Damon in the truck ('You told Dad') is one of the funniest in the film, as is her chewing gum when she enters the jail cell.
  • Runners-up: the Matsui meeting as a distillation of these movies, with Clooney's deadpan stillness and Damon's Kashmir timing, and Pitt and Clooney watching Happy Days, which this participant's husband called a beautiful movie about male intimacy. — Amanda Dobbins
  • The Happy Days scene is inverted minutes later when Rusty bares his soul and a tired Danny pays him no attention. — Amanda Dobbins
  • The pick is the whole Tess-goes-to-Rome sequence; another voice says it would be their pick too, and the bit is described as a whiteboard idea the movie was built around.
  • The bit is a genuine risk, compared to Curb Your Enthusiasm casting real people as bad versions of themselves; the meta aspect is suggested as why Bill wanted this as a flawed rewatchable.
  • Viewers either find it delightful or ask whether Danny looks just like George Clooney if Tess looks like Julia Roberts; the message-board reading is mocked.
  • The scene needs outside knowledge: Damon recounting The Sixth Sense to Bruce Willis, Julia Roberts's husband's real name being Danny, and the real name of Willis's daughter Tallulah.
  • Damon's and Roberts's reactions when Willis walks in make the scene; Roberts's face is called possibly some of the greatest American acting, and they reportedly tried 23 versions of the scene.
  • The Marcy publicist exchange is praised for its specificity about studio versus personal publicists on a European press tour.
  • Tess's accent coaching and the Cockney accent draw a Dick Van Dyke comparison.
  • The Julia Roberts hotel scene is declared the most rewatchable scene, with the whole Tess experience close behind.
  • Roberts is underused in the first film, but here she joins the crew as the 12th, as in the paint-mixing 'too much ox blood' moment.

What’s Aged the Best?

Look, sound and feel; David Holmes score; Lake Como and Vincent Cassel's lifestyle; Pitt's performance; Damon's thirst; ensemble chemistry; movie-star vacations

In the discussion (11)
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  • The look, sound and feel hold up; it works as a background movie that does not demand much.
  • David Holmes's scores are undervalued in Soderbergh's work, nodding to 70s Italian crime soundtracks, Goblin and Morricone; the zither music at Isabel's mother's funeral is singled out.
  • Lake Como and Vincent Cassel's lifestyle, down to the platter of fresh fruit, have aged well.
  • A tangent about fruit bowls follows, with one participant eating an apple every day and another trying to grow citrus trees.
  • Pitt's performance holds up: charming while going through a lot, with freeze-frame expressions; a Rusty Ryan hotel-owner movie would be welcome.
  • Damon's thirst is an incredible vibe, and jumping from caving in terrorists' skulls in Bucharest straight to this film shows he knew what he was doing; his 2001-04 credits are read out.
  • Damon and Affleck appear in Jay and Silent Bob Reboot.
  • The ensemble chemistry still checks out, and so does the idea of movies as vacations for rich people.
  • A second voice picks the look and style, which differ from the American, casino-bound first film and resemble European heist films like The Italian Job, with an expat melancholy.
  • The Amsterdam bridge shot at sunset is rewound three times; the repeated zooms when Cherry Jones removes them from prison read as a self-referential joke.
  • Movies they don't make anymore rarely look this good; Soderbergh cited Seconds, French New Wave and Italian crime films, and the sideways shot of Tess's plane is praised.

What’s Aged the Worst?

No affirmative selection

In the discussion (5)
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  • Catherine Zeta-Jones is the new addition and carries the most somber part of the film; this participant finds her delightful, with more chemistry with Pitt than Roberts has with Clooney.
  • Clooney and Roberts have chemistry for a couple further along; Zeta-Jones and Pitt also have chemistry, but in her scenes you are not with the crew and want to spend time with the other guys. — Amanda Dobbins
  • Making Isabel the daughter of Lamarck at the end is a bridge too far.
  • Another view: Zeta-Jones is not well served opposite a cast that already did this once; she worked with Soderbergh several times, hasn't made a movie in seven years, and her best moment remains High Fidelity.
  • The hosts call themselves mixed on her; one found her very appealing on rewatch.

Casting What-Ifs

No affirmative selection

In the discussion (3)
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  • There are no real casting what-ifs because of the established cast.
  • The hosts say Mark Wahlberg was lined up to replace Damon if he backed out, but question whether this was a promo-tour bit.
  • Wahlberg has not been in a Soderbergh movie; he and Damon faced off in The Departed.
In the discussion (6)
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  • Nominees are Cherry Jones, Albert Finney and Bruce Willis, with Willis named the winner.
  • Andy Garcia is proposed for Terry Benedict's speech to Virgil and Turk and for stabbing people with his cane; a tight field is debated.
  • Virgil's thank-you down the table is a favorite shot.
  • Eddie Izard (as transcribed) and Robbie Coltrane are raised but may be too famous.
  • Others agree on Willis; Jared Harris as Basher's engineer is praised as Soderbergh catching him years before Chernobyl, and Willis keeps the award.
  • Toe for Grace's (as transcribed) one scene is mentioned afterward as an overlooked nominee.
In the discussion (7)
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  • Pitt seems miserable at this time, his life heavily scrutinized around Troy and Mr. and Mrs. Smith, and one can argue Ocean's 12 is his Apex Mountain.
  • Arsenal FC is nominated, with Liverpool fandom ribbing and speculation that the film helped Americans discover the club.
  • Amsterdam is jokingly nominated, prompting a spat about its history.
  • Lake Como is offered since the film popularized it in the American consciousness alongside Clooney's house there, followed by gossip about Clooney's dating life.
  • For a certain kind of silk shirt it is Apex Mountain; Pitt's outfits are art, but no one else should dress like him, and Ocean's 12 is not a heist manual.
  • No nominees; this is a takeoff point for Damon, whose apex is cutting Franca Potenta's hair in the first Born movie. — Amanda Dobbins
  • The pick is settled: 'Apex Mountain Brad Pitt. Let's just say that.'
In the discussion (4)
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  • Nominees are Jared Harris as Basher's engineer, Cherry Jones as Linus's mother and Robbie Coltrane as Matsui, though they may be too famous.
  • Asked whether fame is judged then or now, Cherry Jones's rise in popular consciousness and her stage role in Doubt come up.
  • A Joey Pants winner should stay in that zone; Robbie Coltrane's series Cracker is recalled.
  • Almost everyone is already famous; Cherry Jones gets the award.

Half-Assed Internet Research

Honor Among Thieves origin; Peter Fonda's cut scene; referenced movies

In the discussion (4)
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  • The story came from George Nolfe's (as transcribed) spec script Honor Among Thieves, once set for John Wu (as transcribed), rewritten for the Ocean's characters, like the Simon Says script that became a diehard movie.
  • Peter Fonda filmed a scene as Linus's father that was cut; Bob Einstein (Super Dave Osborne, Marty Funkhouser) took the role in Ocean's 13.
  • Soderbergh is assumed to be a Curb fan, though it does not appear in his culture diary.
  • Movies referenced include The Sixth Sense, the Dennis Quaid film In Good Company and Miller's Crossing, with Johnson Turo (as transcribed) begging for his life.

Recasting Couch

Keep Catherine Zeta-Jones; Rachel Weisz as Isabel Lahiri

In the discussion (3)
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  • No recast: the issue is not Zeta-Jones but that Isabel does work unrelated to the crew. — Amanda Dobbins
  • Angelina Jolias (as transcribed) as Isabel would make a noisier movie, not certainly a better one.
  • Rachel Weiss (as transcribed) is suggested; asked whether she was too young in 2004, the reply notes her later Oscar for The Constant Gardener.

Picking Nits

Doppelganger logic; boot-print identification; Isabel's inconsistent knowledge; capoeira laser hits

In the discussion (4)
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  • Restated nit: if Tess looks like Julia Roberts, are the others doppelgangers for their Hollywood lookalikes; Soderbergh and George Nolfi should explain.
  • How Isabel identifies someone from a boot print is unclear; the hosts reconstruct a chain from a boot purchase to a stolen credit card used at a nail salon.
  • Isabel seems to know everything and nothing at once, while Danny finds the Night Fox in about four hours.
  • In the capoeira scene the Night Fox gets hit by many lasers, and it is unclear how much Cassel did himself.

The Neil McCauley “A Book about Metals” Award for Best Line from the Movie

"I wasn't in Four Weddings and a Funeral."; "Bruce, Glenn Snackwell, publicity."

In the discussion (6)
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  • Lines offered include 'Are you hosting a telethon we don't know about?', 'It's not my nature to be mysterious', and Rusty's 'give me time to respond' line.
  • Other favorites: 'train a cat that quickly', the Glenn Snackwell introduction, and 'we're looking to come off this baby thing strong,' called an absolute favorite moment.
  • 'I wasn't in Four Weddings and a Funeral' and 'just protect your fake baby' are added.
  • The film is an interplay movie, memorable in sequences more than single lines.
  • Casey Affleck's 'Bellagio job' line and a Scott Con (as transcribed) line are also offered.
  • Final choices: one goes with the Four Weddings line; another calls the Glenn Snackwell line 'definitely my favorite.'

Probably Unanswerable Questions

How did Danny get the Night Fox's biographical details?

In the discussion (1)
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  • How Danny got biographical details on the most reclusive thief in the world is asked; an underworld connection is guessed.
In the discussion (6)
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  • A case is made for Pitt, Damon and Soderbergh; the leaning is Damon or Soderbergh, since Damon jumps off the screen and almost didn't do it.
  • Joke candidates: the long-term health of humanity, Obama's 2008 win, and Europe as a contender.
  • Soderbergh is the pick: the first is a movie-star movie, this is a director movie with no wasted shots.
  • A planned Amsterdam history podcast and Rikes Museum (as transcribed) talk follow; one asks the real winner again.
  • Amanda's Europe idea is praised, with Italy and The Talented Mr. Ripley noted.
  • Soderbergh and Europe are declared co-winners, with apologies to Pitt and Damon.
Podcast choices
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Steven Soderbergh
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Europe

More from the conversation

A cold open of film clips leads into Chris Ryan introducing Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins and framing the episode as a flawed rewatchable.
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The hosts say the film was released in December 2004, three years after Ocean's 11, directed by Steven Soderbergh and written by George Nolfe (as transcribed), shot by Soderbergh as Peter Andrews and scored by David Holmes; budgeted at $110 million, which Soderbergh later called one of the biggest-budget stoner movies, it made $362 million worldwide.
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It counts as a flawed rewatchable because of a tepid critical and fan reception; fans on early message boards complained about the heist logic and that it wasn't Vegas.
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Ocean's 12 is in this participant's Soderbergh top five: a great sequel about sequels with two villains and an absurd heist, a movie built on pleasure, and a star study about hanging out with movie stars in Europe.
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This participant loves it because it doesn't demand much thought: a lush, jazzy, very European movie whose stakes never feel desperate, making it an easy, modest-tension hang; its complicated reputation is baffling.
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It may be Soderbergh's most achingly beautiful movie, especially the Amsterdam first hour; Soderbergh told the Huffington Post in 2014 it was the best of the three as filmmaking, and the messy, loose-ended 12 is the most rewarding of the trilogy.
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The film is European in mood: jet-lagged ennui, like Jean-Pier-Melville (as transcribed) with a sense of humor, Ocean's 11's European vacation, with a stoned first hour in Amsterdam.
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Soderbergh said the subjects of these movies, friendship and being good at your job, are things he takes seriously.
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The first movie is a heist; the second is a grift or con movie in which the audience are the marks.
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Playing devil's advocate, a participant says the film seems contrived, like a sequel to the Ocean's 11 press tour, with tired characters, a convoluted plot and a last half revealed as a staged play to fool Toulor (as transcribed), then disowns the argument.
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The film is only flawed for viewers who want a workable heist; as a hangout movie, a Europe movie and a source of beautiful images it couldn't be better.
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Unlike Inception, whose grave tone demands logical engagement, this film mostly doesn't care, despite sentimental moments such as Zeta-Jones's reunion with Albert Finney; its cleverness can read as self-satisfied or navel-gazing.
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Viewers who resent Hollywood glamour criticized the Lake Como shoot as Clooney not leaving his summer home; the hosts say Soderbergh was annoyed because they shot at a different villa.
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The film inverts Rusty and Danny: Rusty is the vulnerable star, Danny is hardly in it, and Damon is wildly funny.
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Pitt's buzz cut and leather coats look current now; this is peak-charisma Pitt, the biggest star in the world in the Troy and Mr. and Mrs. Smith era, giving an internalized performance.
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The hosts report Damon wanted to back out after a Bourne movie, with conflicting reports about his part's size; he is the funniest and only truly desperate character, part of a Soderbergh pattern of using Damon against type, and his 'more central role' lines are self-referential.
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Instead of more casting what-ifs, the hosts play who-are-you-in-Ocean's-12: one claims Lamarck (as transcribed); another wants to be Rusty but is more Linus, Virgil or Turk.
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This participant would like to be Rusty or Clooney but is probably the Night Fox: a loner who does yoga, wants to be in Europe and doesn't play well with others.
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A joke imagines a Night Fox-style challenge to find the world's greatest podcaster.
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Vincent Cassel comes across at about 60 percent in English-language films, like reading in translation.
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The hosts note they barely discussed Clooney; he has a Netflix movie coming this year, though no one expects it to become a rewatchable. Chris Ryan signs off for Sean and Amanda.
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