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The Saint should have become a multi-film franchise.

Kyle Brandt: The title, disguise gimmick, lead and origin story are considered enough for many location-based sequels; an earlier release might have changed the competitive landscape.

Bill Simmons: Mission Impossible is acknowledged as the stronger competing product with better masks and a more compelling central star.

Protect discoveries and vary aliases.

Bill Simmons: Do not store a world-changing formula on notes in clothing, and do not use an easily decoded naming theme.

The film

The Saint (1997)

Directed by Phillip Noyce · Action

116 minutes

Cast

Selected cast credits · Film reference

Val Kilmer Simon Templar
Adam Smith Young Simon Templar
Elisabeth Shue Dr. Emma Russell
Rade Šerbedžija Ivan Petrovich Tretiak
Valery Nikolaev Ilya Ivanovich Tretiak
Henry Goodman Dr. Lev Naumovich Botvin
Alun Armstrong Inspector Teal
Michael Byrne Yuri Vereshagin
Yevgeni Lazarev President Karpov
Irina Apeksimova Aleksa "Frankie" Frankeyevich

Everything from the episode

In the order the hosts got to it. Open a row for the discussion.

11:05

What’s Aged the Best?

The volatile, talented on-set personality is nostalgically defended.

The volatile, talented on-set personality is nostalgically defended.

In the discussion (1)
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  • A participant misses the difficult-star mystique, comparing Kilmer with Russell Crowe and temperamental musicians; this is an opinion, not endorsement of verified incidents. — Bill Simmons
14:16

The Stephen A. Smith Hottest Take Award

The Saint should have become a multi-film franchise.

The Saint should have become a multi-film franchise.

In the discussion (2)
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  • The title, disguise gimmick, lead and origin story are considered enough for many location-based sequels; an earlier release might have changed the competitive landscape. — Kyle Brandt
  • Mission Impossible is acknowledged as the stronger competing product with better masks and a more compelling central star. — Bill Simmons
20:03

The Butch’s Girlfriend Award for the Weakest Link in the Film

Undisguised Simon is less interesting.

Undisguised Simon is less interesting.

In the discussion (1)
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  • More disguises are wanted; plain Simon’s brooding is considered less engaging than the invented characters. — Bill Simmons
32:27

The most 1997 thing

Smashing Pumpkins and the computer evoke1997.

Smashing Pumpkins and the computer evoke1997.

In the discussion (1)
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  • Negotiating with criminals on an old computer while playing Smashing Pumpkins, then resuming them during a car chase, is the period choice. — Bill Simmons
39:53

Roger Ebert's review

2 stars (scale not stated)
In the discussion (2)
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  • Ebert calls the film a Bond imitation, criticizes long fights and unfocused villains, but finds charm in the leads’ chemistry. — Bill Simmons
  • Siskel’s television objection to the disguises is rejected by the hosts, who enjoy that gimmick. — Bill Simmons
40:50

Most Rewatchable Scene

The frozen-river escape and Thomas’s seduction are the personal choices.

The frozen-river escape and Thomas’s seduction are the personal choices.

In the discussion (8)
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  • The microchip heist, mustache removal while falling and implausibly safe truck landing are enjoyed. — Bill Simmons
  • Thomas’s accent, dinner, expensive wine and staged injury seduction are memorable, though the tactic’s real-world appeal is doubted. — Bill Simmons
  • The cold-fusion lecture is engaging to one speaker but awkward and juvenile to the other, who questions the scientist’s characterization. — Bill Simmons
  • The mouse-race club and impersonating Tretiak to his face are favorites.
  • Emma finding Simon and saying she would have given him the formula is nominated. — Bill Simmons
  • The river chase, underwater danger and Emma warming Simon are a personal scene preference. — Bill Simmons
  • The tunnel escape, embassy run, roulette and cold-fusion rally are additional candidates. — Bill Simmons
  • Thomas the artist’s seduction is the other final personal pick. — Bill Simmons
43:22

Probably Unanswerable Questions

Would the dramatic seduction work today?

Would the dramatic seduction work today?

In the discussion (1)
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  • The expensive wine and staged bloody injury might fail in2025; the speakers consider the character’s insecurity essential to the scenario. — Bill Simmons
47:27

The Den of Thieves Benihana Award for Scene-Stealing Location

The rat-race club rivals Red Square.

The rat-race club rivals Red Square.

In the discussion (1)
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  • The club’s gambling, mariachi band and criminal atmosphere are nominated even against Moscow’s famous setting.
48:47

The Great Shot Gordo Award for Most Cinematic Shot

The river chase and underwater view are nominated.

The river chase and underwater view are nominated.

In the discussion (1)
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  • The wide icy river shot and Simon looking upward underwater are singled out. — Bill Simmons
52:56

The most 1997 thing

The Nokia9000 Communicator

The Nokia9000 Communicator

In the discussion (2)
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  • The soundtrack, primitive Internet presentation and competing spy movie are mentioned; the expensive clamshell phone/computer is the personal winner. — Bill Simmons
  • The other participant switches from Smashing Pumpkins to the phone. — Kyle Brandt
57:29

What’s Aged the Best?

Post-Soviet villains, heist devices, disguises and embassy runs

Post-Soviet villains, heist devices, disguises and embassy runs

In the discussion (3)
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  • Chaotic1990s Russia, familiar villain casting, laser security and orders to capture the woman alive are enjoyed. — Bill Simmons
  • Saint-name aliases are praised; the unexplained Klan image is noticed and interpreted as shorthand villain signaling, not a coherent plot element. — Bill Simmons
  • Disguises, villain props, the Evans production credit, cold fusion and embassy sprints are enjoyed. — Bill Simmons
1:00:14

Probably Unanswerable Questions

Does shouting American nationality secure embassy entry?

Does shouting American nationality secure embassy entry?

In the discussion (1)
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  • Can someone sprint to the US Embassy screaming American and get in? How do they know a Russian is not pretending? — Kyle Brandt
1:00:53

The Big Kahuna Burger Award for Best Use of Food and Drink

The broken wine bottle

The broken wine bottle

In the discussion (2)
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  • The staged injury using the wine bottle is the pick; the untouched spaghetti and meatballs and its location are discussed with correction from Russia to England. — Bill Simmons
  • Online wine criticism reportedly says the1957 Latour was past its best by the film’s date; the speaker does not care. — Bill Simmons
1:02:01

The Den of Thieves Benihana Award for Scene-Stealing Location

The river and rat-race club

The river and rat-race club

In the discussion (1)
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  • The river is one preference and the club the alternative, both supported. — Bill Simmons
1:02:21

The Slow Ride / Kid Cudi – Pursuit of Happiness Award for Best Needle Drop

Six Underground is preferred to the Pumpkins cover.

Six Underground is preferred to the Pumpkins cover.

In the discussion (1)
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  • Sneaker Pimps’ more subtle integration is favored over the loudly played Cars cover. — Bill Simmons
1:03:08

Chest Rockwell / Brock Landers Award for Best Character Name

Ivan Tretiak is preferred, with Simon Templar acknowledged.

Ivan Tretiak is preferred, with Simon Templar acknowledged.

In the discussion (1)
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  • Tretiak is praised as a name equally suited to a mob boss, athlete, wrestler or political rival. — Bill Simmons
1:03:59

The Butch’s Girlfriend Award for the Weakest Link in the Film

Plain Simon and transparent disguises are weaknesses.

Plain Simon and transparent disguises are weaknesses.

In the discussion (2)
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  • Undisguised Simon is underplayed and less charismatic; an arrogant Iceman-like persona is imagined instead. — Bill Simmons
  • The supposedly masterful disguises rarely conceal his recognizable identity. — Kyle Brandt
1:05:04

What’s Aged the Worst?

The orphanage opening, dated Internet and limited stunts

The orphanage opening, dated Internet and limited stunts

In the discussion (3)
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  • The child’s death at the opening is unwanted and insufficiently connected to becoming a thief; skipping the first seven minutes is suggested. — Bill Simmons
  • Dated Internet scenes and Noyce blaming the Kilmer casting are criticized; Crowe might have made a stronger but less memorable film. — Bill Simmons
  • Studio resistance to additional disguises is regretted, and the stunts look limited by2025 standards. — Bill Simmons
1:08:00

The Ruffalo / Hanna / Rubinek / Partridge Overacting Award

No clear choice; Emma’s nervous bathroom behavior is the best candidate

No clear choice; Emma’s nervous bathroom behavior is the best candidate

In the discussion (2)
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  • The speakers initially find little and suggest underacting instead; freezing Simon is a stretch because distress is justified. — Kyle Brandt
  • Elizabeth Shu acting as if she has never kissed a boy, fixing her hair and repeating that this is happening, is a little much. — Kyle Brandt
1:08:32

The Stephen A. Smith Hottest Take Award

Shue is proposed as the greatest screen kisser.

Shue is proposed as the greatest screen kisser.

In the discussion (1)
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  • This film, Cocktail, Karate Kid and Leaving Las Vegas support a personal greatest-ever assessment, praised by the other host. — Bill Simmons
1:09:42

Casting What-Ifs

Brosnan, Fiennes, Gibson, or Grant

Brosnan, Fiennes, Gibson, or Grant

In the discussion (2)
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  • Brosnan was allegedly attached earlier; a1994 Evans/Zalian/Pollack version offered Fiennes a million dollars, which he declined as overly familiar. — Bill Simmons
  • Gibson reportedly developed it but wanted family time after Braveheart; Grant reportedly disliked the approach. Other circulating candidate names are explicitly doubted. — Bill Simmons
1:12:04

The Joey Pants “That Guy” Award

Tretiak’s actor, Tommy Flanagan and Ilya

Tretiak’s actor, Tommy Flanagan and Ilya

In the discussion (2)
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  • The Taken2 villain and scarred crew member are nominated; the latter is identified as Tommy Flanagan, whose known name raises an eligibility doubt. — Kyle Brandt
  • Ilya is another candidate; his actor’s first name and Val nickname are discussed without settling the full name. — Kyle Brandt
1:13:15

The Dion Waiters Award for Best Heat Check Performance

Emily Mortimer’s brief stewardess cameo

Emily Mortimer’s brief stewardess cameo

In the discussion (1)
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  • The roughly90-second flirtation is nominated, with shared Ghost in the Darkness work mentioned. — Bill Simmons
1:14:11

Recasting Couch

Keep Moscow; Fincher or Tony Scott could direct.

Keep Moscow; Fincher or Tony Scott could direct.

In the discussion (3)
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  • The actual post-Cold-War Russia setting is considered essential. — Bill Simmons
  • Young Fincher between Seven and The Game is proposed. — Kyle Brandt
  • Tony Scott is another warmly received director choice. — Kyle Brandt
1:15:18

The Dan Campbell Scale for “Holy Shit, Are They Really Going for It Right Now?”

Emma warming Simon in her underwear is the flex choice.

Emma warming Simon in her underwear is the flex choice.

Flex pick · Kyle Brandt

In the discussion (1)
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  • The body-warming scene is selected for an unexpectedly bold, sexy shift from the shy scientist characterization. — Bill Simmons
1:16:04

Half-Assed Internet Research

Roger Moore cameo and disputed conduct reports.

Roger Moore cameo and disputed conduct reports.

In the discussion (3)
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  • The closing radio voice is identified as Roger Moore. — Bill Simmons
  • An alleged no-eye-contact rule is explicitly disbelieved. — Bill Simmons
  • A1996 EW report alleged volatile conduct and a cigarette incident; producer Mace Newfield denied misconduct and praised reshoot work. The speakers say they cannot know what happened. — Bill Simmons
1:18:39

Apex Mountain

Kilmer’s1995 Batman/Heat year is preferred.

Kilmer’s1995 Batman/Heat year is preferred.

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  • This film is rejected as his apex in favor of1995. — Bill Simmons
1:18:51

Apex Mountain

The electronic scene and cold fusion receive support; other apex cases are limited.

The electronic scene and cold fusion receive support; other apex cases are limited.

In the discussion (3)
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  • Batman-era Kilmer is preferred; Shue’s earlier awards moment and Mission Impossible’s disguise success count against this film. — Bill Simmons
  • Moscow films remain undecided; the electronic scene, Orbital, Sneaker Pimps and Moby receive support. — Kyle Brandt
  • Cold fusion is called an apex cultural moment; a Wikipedia statement about no accepted theoretical model prompts the speakers to describe it as impossible. This is their interpretation, not independently verified science. — Bill Simmons
1:21:08

Cruise or Hanks?

Cruise

Cruise

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1:21:08

Scorsese or Spielberg?

Scorsese is preferred, perhaps moving the film to Italy.

Scorsese is preferred, perhaps moving the film to Italy.

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  • Kilmer’s reported Henry Hill audition and fascination with Scorsese support the pick; Rome or Milan is imagined as the new setting. — Bill Simmons
1:22:04

What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman play?

The cold-fusion specialist or the Saint himself.

The cold-fusion specialist or the Saint himself.

In the discussion (2)
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  • The glasses-wearing scientist solving the formula is one choice, compared with Scotty J.
  • Another wants Hoffman as the Saint playing all the disguises, especially the artist.
1:22:48

Picking Nits

The scientist’s secrecy, disguise logistics and medical continuity

The scientist’s secrecy, disguise logistics and medical continuity

In the discussion (5)
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  • Emma tells a stranger the breakthrough and stores it on notes in her bra. — Bill Simmons
  • The wig surviving intimacy, running immediately after warming and instantly decoding saint aliases are questioned. — Bill Simmons
  • Predictable saint aliases, fast hypothermia recovery and easy access to the Russian president are implausible. — Kyle Brandt
  • The supply, speed and undamaged condition of constant disguise changes are unexplained. — Kyle Brandt
  • Emma’s established heart condition seems absent during prolonged sprinting. — Bill Simmons
1:26:30

Sequel, Prequel, Limited Series, or All-Black Remake

A sequel

A sequel

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  • The already-discussed sequel position is reaffirmed. — Kyle Brandt
1:26:30

Is This Movie Better With…?

Gus Johnson calling the warming scene.

Gus Johnson calling the warming scene.

In the discussion (2)
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  • An excited sports call of Emma warming Simon is performed and endorsed. — Kyle Brandt
  • A Peter Schrager television-laughter idea is floated but explicitly needs more work. — Kyle Brandt
1:28:13

Just One Oscar

Tentatively, the theme or score

Tentatively, the theme or score

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  • The theme/score is proposed; the car horn playing the theme gets an amused response. — Bill Simmons
1:28:38

The Andy and Red – Zihuatanejo Award for What Happens the Next Day?

Uncertain despite mutual incentives to stay together

Uncertain despite mutual incentives to stay together

In the discussion (2)
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  • They cannot imagine the couple playing Scattergories or starting a winery. Her trillion-dollar idea might keep the money-driven Simon there, while she may feel indebted to him. — Bill Simmons
  • A Wedding Crashers first-time confession is imagined as a missing scene, not established fact about Emma. — Bill Simmons
1:28:38

Probably Unanswerable Questions

How long does the relationship last?

How long does the relationship last?

In the discussion (1)
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  • The criminal’s damage and habits clash with domestic partnership, while money and romantic inexperience may prolong it. — Bill Simmons
1:29:51

Probably Unanswerable Questions

Seduction ethics and global effects of cold fusion.

Seduction ethics and global effects of cold fusion.

In the discussion (2)
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  • Using a break-in to learn personal details and manipulate Emma is questioned as immoral or illegal, without a legal conclusion. — Kyle Brandt
  • A stronger energy-rich Russia and a weak president lead to speculative dictator and sports/politics jokes, not historical predictions presented as fact. — Kyle Brandt
1:31:49

What Piece of Memorabilia Would You Want From This Movie?

The cane, Nokia phone and knife boot are wanted.

The cane, Nokia phone and knife boot are wanted.

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  • The villain’s cane and original Nokia phone are one participant’s choices. — Bill Simmons
  • The hidden-knife boot is the other preference; its removable blade is noted. — Kyle Brandt
1:32:24

Probably Unanswerable Questions

How does the boot blade deploy?

How does the boot blade deploy?

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  • Heel, foot movement and remote mechanisms are guessed; the speakers do not know and note the blade can be removed. — Kyle Brandt
1:33:28

The Coach Finstock Award for Best Life Lesson

Protect discoveries and vary aliases.

Protect discoveries and vary aliases.

In the discussion (1)
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  • Do not store a world-changing formula on notes in clothing, and do not use an easily decoded naming theme. — Bill Simmons
1:34:45

Best Double Feature

Tombstone and The Island of Dr. Moreau

Tombstone and The Island of Dr. Moreau

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  • Tombstone follows naturally from Kilmer’s character work and voices. — Kyle Brandt
  • The Island of Dr. Moreau is defended as a fascinating cable-era oddity, but the other participant remains uninterested. — Bill Simmons
1:36:54

Who Won the Movie?

Val Kilmer

Val Kilmer

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  • One explicit Kilmer choice receives agreement from the other participant. — Kyle Brandt
Podcast choices
Speaker not identified
Val Kilmer
Speaker not identified
Val Kilmer

More from the conversation

Kilmer’s death prompts a changed recording schedule and tribute: a handsome leading-man talent whose strongest legacy may be cool supporting characters.
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Heat, Tombstone, Top Gun, The Doors and Ghost in the Darkness illustrate range; the2000 SNL appearance is recommended, particularly the airline-pilot Iceman sketch.
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Juilliard training, a brother’s childhood death and a need for creative challenges frame Kilmer’s seriousness. Conflicting1990s press reports of difficulty are distinguished from supportive colleagues.
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The documentary’s account of being unable to move or act freely as Batman is presented as artistic frustration amid showier co-stars.
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Repeated1997 pay-per-view cable exposure made the film a comforting background watch despite a plot considered incoherent; its changing disguises and attractive leads make it an ideal airplane movie.
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A personal top five disguises ranks the southern embassy character fifth, Spanish plane seducer fourth, skeptical scientist third, German lipstick character second and Thomas the artist first.
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The TV-remake boom is criticized as reliance on recognizable casting and old names that younger audiences do not know; a proposed White Shadow remake illustrates the issue.
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The Saint’s literary/TV history and Shue’s post-Leaving-Las-Vegas career lead to Oscar comparisons. The speakers incorrectly describe Shue as an Oscar winner; retain only as their reported assertion, not verified metadata. Kilmer’s1993 supporting competition is judged strong, while his Doors omission is more objectionable.
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Negative pre-release narratives are compared with Waterworld and Snow White. Tretiak’s familiar villain actor and his son’s cane/cocaine-watch props are discussed; Kilmer avoiding Batman and Robin is praised.
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The electronic soundtrack is celebrated as a specific1990s moment and an influential CD, with Orbital, Sneaker Pimps, Daft Punk, Moby, Underworld, Chemical Brothers, Fluke and Duran Duran discussed. Favorite soundtrack comparisons are unranked except Singles preferred.
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Philip Noyce’s1990s run from Dead Calm through the Jack Ryan films and Sliver is recalled.
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The energy-withholding and fake cold-fusion coup plot is reconstructed as difficult to understand. The concept is considered sound but under-explained and short on action; a sequel could have improved execution as John Wick2 did.
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A Saint/Mission Impossible crossover is imagined;90-million budget and169-million gross are reported, not independently established profitability.
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An alternate ending seen in a Russian-language online clip contains a larger action climax and Ilya’s death; the released romance ending is considered a deliberate pivot, with speculation about avoiding kills.
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An explicit new reshot-ending category discusses Emma originally dying from Ilya’s poisoned cane and Simon taking revenge; reshoots reportedly changed it after audience objections. Pretty Woman and Good Will Hunting abandoned death endings are comparisons.
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The namesake electrochemist casting award goes to Emma Russell, with comparisons to other highly glamorous screen experts; retain as unresolved registry mapping.
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Gymkata and Just One of the Guys are discussed as future episodes; the latter was displaced by this Kilmer tribute. No current named theme run is established.
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