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Tech Noir

Early candidates include every Ginger scene, Bill Paxton’s arrival, and Rick Rossovich returning from a plate-glass-window throw to keep fighting in his underwear.

Bill Simmons: Tech Noir combines indiscriminate danger, slow-motion club imagery, Sarah recognizing both pursuers, Kyle’s rescue, and the reveal that shotgun blasts cannot stop Arnold.

The film

The Terminator (1984)

Directed by James Cameron · Science fiction

107 minutes

Cast

Selected cast credits · Film reference

Arnold Schwarzenegger The Terminator
Michael Biehn Kyle Reese
Linda Hamilton Sarah Connor
Paul Winfield Ed Traxler
Lance Henriksen Hal Vukovich
Bess Motta Ginger
Earl Boen Doctor Peter Silberman

Everything from the episode

In the order the hosts got to it. Open a row for the discussion.

1:08:10

Casting What-Ifs

OJ Simpson, Schwarzenegger, Stallone, Gibson, Selleck, Sting, and several Sarah Connor candidates form the casting wh...

OJ Simpson, Schwarzenegger, Stallone, Gibson, Selleck, Sting, and several Sarah Connor candidates form the casting what-if tree.

In the discussion (4)
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1:15:38

Recasting Couch

Early-career Demi Moore as Ginger

Early-career Demi Moore as Ginger

In the discussion (1)
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  • The panel prefers Moore from her General Hospital/Blame It on Rio period to the credited performer, whose name is rendered uncertainly by the transcript. — Bill Simmons
1:16:12

Half-Assed Internet Research

An abandoned liquid-metal Terminator, the theatrical pitch, minimal Arnold dialogue, performance preparation, studio ...

An abandoned liquid-metal Terminator, the theatrical pitch, minimal Arnold dialogue, performance preparation, studio notes, Cameron’s rights loss, and the death count

In the discussion (8)
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  • An early outline had a second, liquid-metal Terminator that available effects could not realize; Cameron saved the concept for Terminator 2. — Bill Simmons
  • Lance Henriksen reportedly arrived at the pitch in Terminator costume and makeup to demonstrate the threat. — Bill Simmons
  • Schwarzenegger speaks only 17 lines and fewer than 100 words. — Chris Ryan
  • Biehn studied Polish resistance fighters, while Hamilton filmed running scenes on a badly injured ankle. — Bill Simmons
  • The studio suggested a K-9 android for Reese, which Cameron rejected, and asked for more Sarah/Reese romance, which produced the hotel scene. — Bill Simmons
  • Arnold trained with guns daily for a month and received praise for realistic weapon handling. — Bill Simmons
  • Cameron sold away rights early, missed royalties from several sequels, and later described the loss as the price of a Hollywood education before copyright reverted. — Bill Simmons
  • Cameron voices the answering-machine date cancellation, and the estimated body count varies from 39 to 42 depending on Tech Noir. — Bill Simmons
1:22:17

Picking Nits

Sarah’s age and independence, the living-tissue rule, Reese traveling alone and asking too few questions, missing ide...

Sarah’s age and independence, the living-tissue rule, Reese traveling alone and asking too few questions, missing identity intelligence, and later Terminators abandoning disguise

In the discussion (5)
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  • Sarah is only 18 despite living independently, working, and carrying responsibilities that read as mid-twenties adulthood. — Bill Simmons
  • The writers admit the living-tissue time-travel rule lacks scientific basis, and it fails to explain why the resistance sends only Reese instead of a larger team. — Bill Simmons
  • Sarah scarcely interrogates her visitor from decades ahead, while Reese’s lack of technical knowledge makes him an odd sole envoy.
  • The machines can invent time travel but lack Sarah’s image, and Reese somehow does not recognize the mass-produced Terminator model. — Shea Serrano
  • This machine repeatedly conceals exposed machinery, a stealth behavior later sequels largely abandon. — Shea Serrano
1:27:44

Probably Unanswerable Questions

Genre identity, Kyle’s knowledge and survival, causal loops, Tech Noir geography, and the unrealized phone-book-kille...

Genre identity, Kyle’s knowledge and survival, causal loops, Tech Noir geography, and the unrealized phone-book-killer premise

In the discussion (6)
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  • If forced to choose one genre, the votes split between horror and science fiction. — Bill Simmons
  • The panel asks whether Reese knew he was John Connor’s father and agrees John probably withheld that information. — Bill Simmons
  • Kyle surviving is rejected because his sacrifice completes the story and audiences primarily wanted Arnold to return.
  • The time loop raises whether Sarah’s survival was ever truly in doubt and remains unexplained to the panel’s satisfaction. — Bill Simmons
  • The exact Pico location of Tech Noir conflicts with the chase’s Overland reference and downtown imagery. — Bill Simmons
  • They ask why the phone-book-killer method never became its own thriller and why Reese did not arrive early enough to have Sarah unlist her number.