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Tech Noir

Early candidates include every Ginger scene, Bill Paxton’s arrival, and Rick Rossovich returning from a plate-glass-window throw to keep fighting in his underwear.

Bill Simmons: Tech Noir combines indiscriminate danger, slow-motion club imagery, Sarah recognizing both pursuers, Kyle’s rescue, and the reveal that shotgun blasts cannot stop Arnold.

The film

The Terminator (1984)

Directed by James Cameron · Science fiction

107 minutes

Cast

Selected cast credits · Film reference

Arnold Schwarzenegger The Terminator
Michael Biehn Kyle Reese
Linda Hamilton Sarah Connor
Paul Winfield Ed Traxler
Lance Henriksen Hal Vukovich
Bess Motta Ginger
Earl Boen Doctor Peter Silberman

Everything from the episode

In the order the hosts got to it. Open a row for the discussion.

33:10

Most Rewatchable Scene

Tech Noir

Tech Noir

In the discussion (8)
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  • Early candidates include every Ginger scene, Bill Paxton’s arrival, and Rick Rossovich returning from a plate-glass-window throw to keep fighting in his underwear.
  • Tech Noir combines indiscriminate danger, slow-motion club imagery, Sarah recognizing both pursuers, Kyle’s rescue, and the reveal that shotgun blasts cannot stop Arnold. — Bill Simmons
  • Kyle’s tunnel explanation of Skynet, extermination, and Sarah’s unborn son is praised as exposition that should fail but succeeds through writing and performance. — Bill Simmons
  • The Terminator repairing his arm and eye is remembered as astonishing 1984 practical work whose crudeness now adds charm; sunglasses make the puppet face convincing. — Shea Serrano
  • The police-station assault turns flimsy PCP explanations into a brutal crash-and-shootout showcase whose sound improved with later formats. — Bill Simmons
  • The oil-tanker chase, delayed explosion, and endoskeleton emerging from fire create a false ending and reset the rules again.
  • The Mexico coda completes Sarah’s transformation and pays off the photograph Kyle had carried without explaining away the causal loop.
  • Two hosts explicitly choose Tech Noir, and the third centers his favorite quality on that scene’s revelation of how hard the machine is to kill.
50:27

What’s Aged the Best?

The title, Arnold’s casting and dialogue, the gun-shop scene, supporting actors, synth score, romance, practical effe...

The title, Arnold’s casting and dialogue, the gun-shop scene, supporting actors, synth score, romance, practical effects, and the unkillable-villain structure

In the discussion (8)
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  • The two-word title is praised as perfect, direct, sequel-friendly 1980s naming.
  • Arnold as a robot is called A-plus casting, and the gun-shop inventory scene turns his delivery, scale, and Dick Miller’s salesmanship into repeat-viewing pleasure.
  • Bill Paxton’s brief punk appearance, including his distinction as a Terminator/Alien/Predator victim, is a treasured cameo. — Bill Simmons
  • Arnold’s pronunciation of Sarah Connor, Lance Henriksen and Paul Winfield’s overqualified cops, and Cameron’s dark Los Angeles atmosphere remain distinctive. — Bill Simmons
  • “Fuck you, asshole,” the address demand, and especially Cameron refusing Arnold’s requested “I will be back” rewrite preserve his signature vocal comedy.
  • Brad Fiedel’s synth pulse is picked as an enduring musical trigger despite its inexpensive-sounding era-specific tools.
  • Kyle’s claim that he crossed time for Sarah gives the romance enormous stakes, while the explicit hotel scene remains narratively essential because it conceives John Connor.
  • Stan Winston’s practical effects and Arnold’s effortless disposal of a visibly strong Rick Rossovich sustain the machine’s threat.
1:01:07

What’s Aged the Worst?

Future-war effects, dated chronology and hair, exposed nudity, a personal scooter association, the Harlan Ellison dis...

Future-war effects, dated chronology and hair, exposed nudity, a personal scooter association, the Harlan Ellison dispute, Ginger’s food and pet choices, and John Connor’s weak message

In the discussion (7)
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  • The red future lasers and stop-motion endoskeleton look dated, although the handmade work remains charming and the machine-dominated future feels newly plausible.
  • The once-distant 2029 setting is now close, intensifying jokes about missing lasers and walking robots.
  • Sarah’s heavily sprayed hair is criticized while her later Mexico headband reveals a more timeless look; Arnold’s opening nudity is also called dispensable. — Bill Simmons
  • Sarah’s Honda scooter ages badly for one host because he later crashed the same model. — Bill Simmons
  • Harlan Ellison’s claim that the story borrowed from his Outer Limits work led to a settlement and acknowledgement that Cameron bitterly rejected. — Bill Simmons
  • Ginger’s enormous post-sex sandwich, celery with peanut butter, milk, and dark-kitchen routine feel like a vanished 1980s horror convention. — Chris Ryan
  • The iguana exemplifies dated offbeat screen pets, while future John’s formal message omits affection and useful practical information for his mother. — Chris Ryan
1:08:10

Casting What-Ifs

OJ Simpson, Schwarzenegger, Stallone, Gibson, Selleck, Sting, and several Sarah Connor candidates form the casting wh...

OJ Simpson, Schwarzenegger, Stallone, Gibson, Selleck, Sting, and several Sarah Connor candidates form the casting what-if tree.

In the discussion (4)
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1:11:35

The Joey Pants “That Guy” Award

The unnamed-to-the-panel psychiatrist who later returns in Terminator 2

The unnamed-to-the-panel psychiatrist who later returns in Terminator 2

In the discussion (2)
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1:13:19

The Ruffalo / Hanna / Rubinek / Partridge Overacting Award

Michael Biehn

Michael Biehn

In the discussion (1)
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  • His urgent “Come with me if you want to live” delivery exemplifies the fifth-gear performance. — Bill Simmons
1:13:37

The Dion Waiters Award for Best Heat Check Performance

Rick Rossovich beats Bill Paxton for the heat check through a phone call, sex scene, fearless underwear fight, and un...

Rick Rossovich beats Bill Paxton for the heat check through a phone call, sex scene, fearless underwear fight, and unrealized post-Top Gun momentum.

In the discussion (2)
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  • Paxton makes a strong 30-second case, but Rossovich has more material and returns to fight an enormous intruder without hesitation.
  • Losin’ It, Streets of Fire, The Terminator, Top Gun, and Roxanne looked like the start of a larger career that did not arrive. — Bill Simmons
1:15:38

Recasting Couch

Early-career Demi Moore as Ginger

Early-career Demi Moore as Ginger

In the discussion (1)
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  • The panel prefers Moore from her General Hospital/Blame It on Rio period to the credited performer, whose name is rendered uncertainly by the transcript. — Bill Simmons
1:16:12

Half-Assed Internet Research

An abandoned liquid-metal Terminator, the theatrical pitch, minimal Arnold dialogue, performance preparation, studio ...

An abandoned liquid-metal Terminator, the theatrical pitch, minimal Arnold dialogue, performance preparation, studio notes, Cameron’s rights loss, and the death count

In the discussion (8)
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  • An early outline had a second, liquid-metal Terminator that available effects could not realize; Cameron saved the concept for Terminator 2. — Bill Simmons
  • Lance Henriksen reportedly arrived at the pitch in Terminator costume and makeup to demonstrate the threat. — Bill Simmons
  • Schwarzenegger speaks only 17 lines and fewer than 100 words. — Chris Ryan
  • Biehn studied Polish resistance fighters, while Hamilton filmed running scenes on a badly injured ankle. — Bill Simmons
  • The studio suggested a K-9 android for Reese, which Cameron rejected, and asked for more Sarah/Reese romance, which produced the hotel scene. — Bill Simmons
  • Arnold trained with guns daily for a month and received praise for realistic weapon handling. — Bill Simmons
  • Cameron sold away rights early, missed royalties from several sequels, and later described the loss as the price of a Hollywood education before copyright reverted. — Bill Simmons
  • Cameron voices the answering-machine date cancellation, and the estimated body count varies from 39 to 42 depending on Tech Noir. — Bill Simmons
1:19:42

Apex Mountain

Mid-1980s Los Angeles; cheap 1980s hotel-room sex (joking); possibly Tech Noir among Pico-area nightclubs

Mid-1980s Los Angeles; cheap 1980s hotel-room sex (joking); possibly Tech Noir among Pico-area nightclubs

In the discussion (5)
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  • Arnold, Cameron, Linda Hamilton, and Biehn are rejected because later work provides clearer career peaks.
  • The combination of Terminator, Beverly Hills Cop, Fletch, and the Lakers makes mid-1980s Los Angeles a defensible local summit.
  • Titanic is chosen as Cameron’s strict apex, though the cheap 1980s hotel sex scene gets a joking category peak. — Chris Ryan
  • The simple one-way naked time-travel rule is praised against later films’ increasingly elaborate mechanics, but the discussion stops short of a firm all-movie victory. — Chris Ryan
  • Top Gun beats this film for sunglasses, while Tech Noir may be the apex of Pico-area 1980s nightclubs. — Bill Simmons
1:22:17

Picking Nits

Sarah’s age and independence, the living-tissue rule, Reese traveling alone and asking too few questions, missing ide...

Sarah’s age and independence, the living-tissue rule, Reese traveling alone and asking too few questions, missing identity intelligence, and later Terminators abandoning disguise

In the discussion (5)
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  • Sarah is only 18 despite living independently, working, and carrying responsibilities that read as mid-twenties adulthood. — Bill Simmons
  • The writers admit the living-tissue time-travel rule lacks scientific basis, and it fails to explain why the resistance sends only Reese instead of a larger team. — Bill Simmons
  • Sarah scarcely interrogates her visitor from decades ahead, while Reese’s lack of technical knowledge makes him an odd sole envoy.
  • The machines can invent time travel but lack Sarah’s image, and Reese somehow does not recognize the mass-produced Terminator model. — Shea Serrano
  • This machine repeatedly conceals exposed machinery, a stealth behavior later sequels largely abandon. — Shea Serrano
1:25:41

Sequel, Prequel, Limited Series, or All-Black Remake

A ten-episode version could cross-cut Kyle and John’s machine-war future against Sarah’s pursuit until the two timeli...

A ten-episode version could cross-cut Kyle and John’s machine-war future against Sarah’s pursuit until the two timelines collide.

In the discussion (2)
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  • The longer form could add pursuit and future backstory, though franchise fatigue and the elegant sufficiency of the original weigh against it.
  • Cobra Kai and Terminator: Dark Fate make the hosts more receptive to returning characters and unexpected extensions than the initial question suggests. — Bill Simmons
1:27:44

Probably Unanswerable Questions

Genre identity, Kyle’s knowledge and survival, causal loops, Tech Noir geography, and the unrealized phone-book-kille...

Genre identity, Kyle’s knowledge and survival, causal loops, Tech Noir geography, and the unrealized phone-book-killer premise

In the discussion (6)
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  • If forced to choose one genre, the votes split between horror and science fiction. — Bill Simmons
  • The panel asks whether Reese knew he was John Connor’s father and agrees John probably withheld that information. — Bill Simmons
  • Kyle surviving is rejected because his sacrifice completes the story and audiences primarily wanted Arnold to return.
  • The time loop raises whether Sarah’s survival was ever truly in doubt and remains unexplained to the panel’s satisfaction. — Bill Simmons
  • The exact Pico location of Tech Noir conflicts with the chase’s Overland reference and downtown imagery. — Bill Simmons
  • They ask why the phone-book-killer method never became its own thriller and why Reese did not arrive early enough to have Sarah unlist her number.
1:31:47

What Piece of Memorabilia Would You Want From This Movie?

Split: the crawling half-Terminator; Rick Rossovich’s briefs or Ginger’s sandwich; Arnold’s red motorcycle

Split: the crawling half-Terminator; Rick Rossovich’s briefs or Ginger’s sandwich; Arnold’s red motorcycle

In the discussion (3)
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  • One choice is the practical upper half of the destroyed Terminator displayed on a living-room couch.
  • Another jokingly chooses Rossovich’s briefs and then Ginger’s sandwich.
  • The last chooses Arnold’s recognizable red motorcycle, imagined as a perfect conversation piece. — Bill Simmons
1:32:32

Who Won the Movie?

Arnold Schwarzenegger

Arnold Schwarzenegger

In the discussion (2)
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  • Arnold turns industry skepticism and two Conan movies into an iconic action-star identity that plausibly would not exist in the same form without this role. — Bill Simmons
  • Cameron created the concept from a nightmare and launched his career, but the hosts believe his talent would have broken through elsewhere. — Bill Simmons
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1:34:27

The Neil McCauley “A Book about Metals” Award for Best Line from the Movie

Kyle’s warning: the Terminator cannot be reasoned or bargained with and will never stop

Kyle’s warning: the Terminator cannot be reasoned or bargained with and will never stop

In the discussion (3)
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  • “You’re terminated” is recalled uncertainly and not treated as the winner because the panel cannot immediately reconstruct the exact wording. — Shea Serrano
  • Kyle’s description of the machine as lacking pity, remorse, and fear and never stopping until Sarah is dead is offered as one of the greatest movie lines. — Shea Serrano
  • Sarah asking what women are like in Kyle’s time is another personal favorite.

More from the conversation

The opening positions The Terminator beside First Blood and 48 Hrs. in the birth of modern action, while tracing its slasher, John Carpenter, low-budget horror, science-fiction, and downtown-Los-Angeles influences.
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Arnold Schwarzenegger’s machine-like physique, limited dialogue, immediate presence, and villain role are treated as the casting breakthrough that transformed a bodybuilding novelty into a movie star and seeded a franchise.
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The panel recalls 1984 as a major pop-culture year and reconstructs James Cameron’s nightmare origin, his partnership with Gale Anne Hurd, the Carpenter model, and the delay that let him work on Rambo II and Aliens.
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Orion’s refusal to screen the film for critics, Michael Biehn’s unrealized leading-man path, HBO repetition, and successive home-video editions explain both the film’s initial underestimation and its rewatchable afterlife.
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