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The Karate Kid

127 minutes

Cast

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Ralph Macchio Daniel LaRusso
Pat Morita Mr. Miyagi
Elisabeth Shue Ali Mills
William Zabka Johnny Lawrence
Martin Kove John Kreese
Randee Heller Lucille LaRusso
Chad McQueen Dutch
Ron Thomas Bobby Brown
Tony O'Dell Jimmy
Rob Garrison Tommy
Pat E. Johnson Head Referee
Israel Juarbe Freddy
Frances Bay Lady with Dog
Bruce Malmuth Ring Announcer
Darryl Vidal Karate Semi-Finalist
Andrew Shue Member of Cobra Kai (uncredited)

The Karate Kid | The Rewatchables

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Most Rewatchable Scene

'You're the Best' tournament montage; soccer tryout scene

In the discussion (24)
Approx. transcript time · 00:29:24Read transcript
  • The first beach fight opens the list; nobody knows how the moped gang got to a beach at least 40 minutes from where they live, or who rides mopeds on the beach.
  • Daniel's soccer juggling on the beach is presented as forward-thinking but is basic stuff; Johnny smashes Ali's radio with uncomfortable, unexplored O.J.-Nicole vibes, and none of her friends stand up for her.
  • Daniel lands one cheap-shot punch before being finished off, and Freddy and his friends immediately drop him.
  • Starting to work out took a lot longer than age eight; the movie's first scene has Daniel boasting he can teach Freddy karate, and it is unclear whether the film wants viewers to think he can hang with Johnny or is just laying a foundation so his tournament rise is less absurd. — Ryen Russillo
  • Johnny's red jacket is dated to a nine-month fad; the beach is Elisabeth Shue's first scene, and she belongs on a Mount Rushmore of 80s movie crushes with Kelly Preston and Apollonia, and she is said to have later won an Oscar.
  • The Halloween fight: Daniel hoses Johnny while he rolls a joint wearing a Walkman, is too slow to escape over the fence, and gets run down to the 'Danger' song; 'I'll decide when he's had enough' is called one of the best lines ever.
  • Miyagi 'goes hero ball' like Kobe in 2006; the double punch and the tummy-slap finish on Johnny are questioned as unrealistic, though Zabka's footwork is praised.
  • The hosts cite a Sports Illustrated oral history in which Macchio says the scene was filmed at 4 a.m. and Zabka, meant to fake a roundhouse, really hit him in the jaw; Zabka says Macchio leaned into it.
  • The episode exists partly because a son demanded it after re-bingeing Cobra Kai; they watched the movie on day two of the quarantine.
  • In Miyagi's visit to the Cobra Kai dojo, a background student does knuckle push-ups through every take; the favorite line is 'no one touches the prima donna until after the tournament.'
  • The hosts point out Andrew Shue, Elisabeth Shue's brother from Melrose Place, as an unheard Cobra Kai in the scene, along with Lamar from Revenge of the Nerds, whose toughness is hard to believe.
  • The Kreese actor reportedly stayed in character on set, and he was not one of only three real black belts in the movie.
  • The All Valley Karate Championships poster is visible; reproductions are on eBay, but only an original would be worth buying.
  • After roughly ten minutes of Daniel remodeling Miyagi's house, the wax-on/wax-off confrontation reveals the chores were karate training; it is ridiculous but still enjoyable, and kids said 'wax on, wax off' to each other for years.
  • The country club scene is not a top-five scene: it is unclear why Ali would date Daniel, her parents are an extreme cliché, and a whole dining room laughing at the spaghetti collision is called absurd.
  • A scene said to have been cut had Daniel sit on blueberry pie; the spaghetti coverage looks painted on.
  • Daniel's unfunny flirting is compared with Serpico's painful dating phase; the couple is said to have fought like hell for each other.
  • The training montage on the pier and the boat, with its music, is praised as high-level for the mid-1980s.
  • The declared pick is the tournament montage that kicks into Joe Esposito's 'You're the Best'; it is ranked with the opening of Rocky 3 (Eye of the Tiger) as the best movie music montage, and it is on-sight viewing whenever it airs.
  • The hosts say 'You're the Best' was originally meant for Rocky 3 and was also in play for Flashdance; the tournament was shot with about six cameras like live theater, with a real crowd, and Zabka's mother was upset by the booing.
  • The referee Pat Johnson, described as a real black belt, brings authentic intensity; the hosts say the tournament was staged as a real event at Cal State Northridge's arena with 500 to 1,000 spectators and a couple hundred competitors.
  • An alternative is the whole last stretch, from Daniel asking Miyagi to fix his leg through 'sweep the leg', 'get him a body bag', the crane kick and the trophy presentation.
  • Asked for a pick between the two or something else, the answer is the soccer tryout where Daniel is thrown off the team; the slide tackle was vicious, Daniel was right to punch back, and the coach just did not like him.
  • The segment ends with 'You're the Best' named as most rewatchable.

What’s Aged the Best?

1980s soundtrack; the 'Mommy not here to dress you' insult; Johnny's semifinal rout of Vidal; Bill Conti's music; dropping the original ending; the golf-and-stuff date spot and montage; Mrs. LaRusso; 'Get him a body bag'; the restaurant scene with Daniel's mom

In the discussion (16)
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  • The 80s soundtrack leads: Cruel Summer, 'Danger', 'Young Hearts Beat Fast' in the date montage, and 'You're the Best'; 80s love songs are mocked as caveman-simple.
  • 'What's the matter? Mommy not here to dress you?' is called the greatest movie insult ever, a triple crown of disdain, mom and wardrobe.
  • Daniel's wardrobe draws mockery: high-waisted mom jeans and camo pants that would have labeled him in the 80s.
  • In the final, a crowd member yells 'you're a cupcake, Johnny'; 'put him in a body bag' became a reliable college lacrosse heckle.
  • The writer is named as Robert Mark Kamen; Cobra Kai's snake and strike-first, no-mercy mentality are praised, and throwing the first punch is described as how fights are actually won.
  • Johnny's semifinal against Vidal, the best technician in the tournament, is a 3-0 demolition and is called Johnny's apex; it is said the fight could have been closer, but that would upstage the final. Johnny is lip-read saying Vidal is not that good.
  • The hosts say Vidal was one of the real black belts, doubled for Miyagi in long shots, and still instructs in Murrieta.
  • Bill Conti's music is listed; the hosts say the discarded original ending, in which Kreese breaks Johnny's trophy and fights Miyagi, became the opening of Karate Kid II, and ending on the celebration was a great decision.
  • Freddie and friends rejoining the celebration are mocked as front-runners, compared with fans after the Lakers signed LeBron.
  • The golf-and-arcade spot in Norwalk used for the date montage was the dream 80s date location; a parody date montage with happy music over a disastrous date is pitched.
  • Mrs. LaRusso makes a Mount Rushmore of 80s pop culture moms with the Family Ties mom, Mrs. Bueller and the Cosby Show mom; the Growing Pains mom gets an honorable mention.
  • 'Get him a body bag': the hosts cite the oral history in which Rob Garrison, said to have died last year, recalls looping the line months later on the first take and being told by Avildsen it would be a classic.
  • Tommy's whole performance is praised, while 'take a worm for a walk' did not catch on; Tommy's death in Cobra Kai is called emotional.
  • The Cobra Kai series is recommended again, with Shea Serrano named as another fan.
  • The restaurant scene where Daniel's mom, now a hostess, asks whether he likes anyone ('she buries Judy') is praised as a sincere mother-son moment.
  • The decision not to use the original ending is restated as a what's-aged-best pick, since what gets cut can make something great.

What’s Aged the Worst?

Slow first eight minutes; camo pants; the shock of Pat Morita having played Arnold; the country-club parents; a college 'Mr. Miyagi' nickname

In the discussion (6)
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  • The first eight minutes, covering the move to Reseda and the broken pool, could have gone faster; the camo pants, the Arnold shock value and the over-the-top country-club parents are also listed.
  • One complaint is that Johnny's punch to the face should have scored the third point before the crane kick, since a face kick wins it and Ali said everything above the waist counts.
  • That scoring complaint is pushed back on as shaky, with the point that full-power punches are illegal in most karate rules—though by that logic the crane kick might have been disqualified too.
  • A column quote asks why Ali likes a 5'7", 100-pound kid with no money or car whose mom drives him on dates; it is called the mystery of the movie, with a Back to the Future comparison.
  • Ali is already staring at Daniel on the beach before the radio incident; perhaps she surrounds herself with lesser friends to stand out, though Johnny dating her implies she is the it-girl.
  • A college-era joke about rebuffs ('wax on, wax off', 'paint the fence') and nicknaming a classmate 'Mr. Miyagi' during an AIDS-fear era is offered as a self-called-out aged-worst.
In the discussion (4)
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  • Larry B. Scott (Lamar from Revenge of the Nerds) and Happy Gilmore's grandma as the lying, chain-smoking old lady are mentioned as classic That Guys.
  • The pick is Randee Heller as the mom, for a run including Gabe Kaplan's wife in Fast Break, a stripper girlfriend on The White Shadow, and later a lawyer on Melrose Place—an '80s Gary Oldman' range.
  • Dutch is floated as a That Guy as the most psychotic Cobra Kai, but because the actor is Chad McQueen, Steve McQueen's son, he is judged not a That Guy.
  • Chad McQueen is placed in the first wave of troubled celebrity kids of the cocaine era, with a wild look in his eyes.
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  • There is little overacting; Miyagi's drunk 'Sergeant Miyagi' scene is dialed up but is thought by some to have won him the Oscar nomination.
  • The Cobra Kai intensity is what fans love; 'take a worm for a walk' might be the line rather than the delivery, and Ali's friends are a little annoying, but nothing qualifies.
  • Miyagi blacking out on whiskey in front of a high school kid on his anniversary is joked about.
In the discussion (8)
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  • It is called one of the biggest Dion Waiters categories in 106 or 107 episodes; three nominees are named, with Tommy's eligibility left open.
  • Kreese is barely in the movie yet puts up huge stats, a bench player with a double-double in 14 minutes.
  • Dutch, played by Chad McQueen, is the scariest Cobra Kai and the one who would lead a coup against Johnny; his loss to Daniel seems unrealistic.
  • The tournament announcer ('Daniel LaRusso is going to fight!') is praised for his jacket-collar look and mysterious identity and is initially given the award.
  • An anecdote about an anchor questioning low energy in a pre-show rehearsal before a strong live show is used to compare the announcer's rehearsal footage with his performance when the red light goes on.
  • The announcer pick is disputed: Tommy is ruled ineligible and Dutch is not in it enough, leading to Kreese over the MC.
  • The announcer is looked up as Bruce Malmuth, said to have died in 2005, who also announced in Karate Kid II and appeared in Lean on Me and Pentathlon.
  • The award goes to Kreese, though the karate announcer could have won.

Apex Mountain

Ralph Macchio; Pat Morita; every Cobra Kai member and Martin Kove; Reseda; the All Valley Karate Tournament; Cruel Summer; the high-school biker gang/ninjas; mid-80s arcades

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  • Macchio, Morita, every Cobra Kai plus Kove, Reseda (now known as the Karate Kid town), the All Valley tournament, Cruel Summer, the high-school biker ninjas and the mid-80s arcades are yeses.
  • Avildsen is a no because Rocky is his apex; Shue is a no because, the hosts say, she later won an Oscar.
  • The red jackets are grouped with Michael Jackson's Thriller jacket without a clear yes or no.
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  • It is the all-time yes because Cobra Kai did it smartly and it worked.
  • An objection that Johnny would never stay in Reseda is answered by pointing to Cobra Kai, and the objection is withdrawn as speaking about something unfamiliar.
In the discussion (5)
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  • Cases could be made for Pat Morita, Ralph Macchio and William Zabka; Zabka's staying power exceeded all expectations, and he is described as grounded and happy to share stories.
  • It is unclear why Zabka did not become a bigger star, possibly pigeonholed as the 80s villain as Anthony Michael Hall was as the nerd; Macchio or Morita won at the time, but Zabka won over the years as the best and hardest part.
  • An addition says Elisabeth Shue wins the movie 'in a way' for dodging Daniel.
  • Daniel likely faces depression after Ali, since she is gone at the start of Karate Kid II.
  • The segment closes with 'I vote for Zabka.'
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