If the ending was not a dream and Jason is alive, why does Kid Jason come out of the lake looking like a 13-year-old kid, 22 years after he drowned.
The actor who played him, Ari Landon (as transcribed), is in a band called First Jason, and the director was going to cast his son as young Jason.
Is the water keeping him in perpetual childhood, or was it a dream, making everything from part two on supernatural; maybe she dreamed a kid pulled her in but it was adult Jason, who in two is grown and yoked.
Jason in part two would be 35, one of the great late bloomer athletes, compared to Kurt Warner playing arena football while waiting for his moment.
Earlier, one participant names two major unanswerable questions, starting with Crazy Ralph's home life, since he has a wife.
The Welcome to Camp Crystal Lake sign and the strip Monopoly board are offered, and the machete is wanted because it goes on to become iconic as the franchise decapitation machete.
Maybe don't reopen anything called Camp Blood, read the Yelp reviews before you accept a job as a cook at a camp, and listen to the people in the diner who tell you about the place's horrible history.
Called one of the tougher Who Won the Movies, the first nominee is Steve Miner, director of two and three and an associate producer on one, who shepherded the franchise and became a prolific Hollywood director.
Another answer is Jason as an idea, though Jason is not even in this movie; Jason's mom and the music are also floated.
Ripping off Halloween is floated as the winner, and finally Friday the 13th itself, because it is the franchise, the IP.
Introduced as a rare category before the categories; the hosts suspect they picked the same anecdote, given the film was made for $60,000 in 100-degree Texas heat.
After getting the grandfather's old-age makeup, John Dugan would not repeat the five-hour process, so his scenes, mostly the dinner scene, were shot over the next 30 hours in summer heat in a room of dead animals and rotting food with no air conditioning and blackout curtains; the stench made people pass out and go outside to puke.
Edwin Neal, who played the hitchhiker, called filming that scene the worst time of his life, worse than being in Vietnam with people trying to kill him; a host compares being up 24 hours after an early flight back from Boston, and the shoot went six hours past that.
Marilyn Burns was tied up the entire time, screaming while being mocked, and the cast got paid about 150 bucks; the 16 millimeter cameras needed so much light that interior scenes generated extra heat.
Ebert gave it two stars: without apparent purpose unless disgust and fright are a purpose, yet a weird, off-the-wall achievement, well made, well acted and all too effective, belonging with Night of the Living Dead and Last House on the Left.
A second excerpt contrasts it with In Cold Blood: no motivation, background or speculation on causes, simply an exercise in terror; the hosts answer that terror is the point, and that Ebert loved story and character, of which the film has little.
The opening is admired though not offered as the pick: the August 18th, 1973 date, the opening crawl, the credits and the graveyard shot make one of the great tone-setting openings, especially since the next 35 to 40 minutes bring little.
Picking up the hitchhiker is compared to Antonio Brown joining the Patriots: a bad idea that went worse than expected and ended with people bleeding.
Getting stuck with someone fully gone is likened to the corner of a bar; one participant recalls a man in a Philly bar insisting they check out his knife, and the scariest part is that such people call the shots and you have to play along.
Kirk and his girlfriend go to a watering hole with no water and walk toward a house that might have gas; finding a rotten tooth and giving it to his girlfriend as a joke is where the hosts would have left.
Kirk goes in after hearing an animal squealing and Leatherface kills him with no music, the hammer sounding like a walnut cracking, then slams the sliding metal door; hammers are called underexplored in horror because they knock someone unconscious immediately.
Pam goes into the house after Kirk and ends up in the room of feathers and bones, assembled by an art director who collected decomposing animal parts around Texas; Leatherface carries her to another room, puts her on a hook, and she watches Kirk get chainsawed.
Jerry goes into the creepy house looking for both; the interaction between Franklin and Sally, brother and sister, is singled out as a riff on Hansel and Gretel: she cannot leave him, which saves her life but costs his.
The girl in the freezer, called the igloo, Jerry getting smoked and Leatherface killing Franklin follow, and Sally runs to the gas station guy, who is not really helping her.
The gas station guy turning out to be bad, the person you run to for help, became a horror trope; she sees the organs roasting and wonders whether to run before he pulls up with the bag and rope, and Friday the 13th repeats the moment with Jason's mom.
The grandfather sucking Sally's bloody finger is super disturbing and her passing out is called the correct response; they reportedly cut her finger for real.
The dinner is called the worst dinner invite of all time, tied up while three psychopaths mock her, and the grandfather trying and failing to hit her with the hammer is compared to an aging quarterback trying one last season.
She escapes by jumping out the window a second time; the hosts are unsure why she and the truck driver leave the truck, and call the ending, her bloody face screaming while Leatherface waves the chainsaw in the dawn sun, the most haunting ending and an all-time last shot, better even than Halloween's.
The pick is Kirk getting killed and the lead-up to it, which another participant agrees with without question; it is the stretch they would watch if the movie came on cable.
Leatherface's first appearance gets the award, which could be renamed the Leatherface Award; the way he frantically slams the sliding door shut is among the best ever.
Candidates include the hitchhiker's Polaroid camera with its flashbulb attachment, the title spelling chain saw as two words, and Franklin's old wheelchair.
Calling someone's girlfriend your old lady is also offered and liked; the girls' outfits have somewhat come back, but hitchhikers have not, and hitchhikers is called the winner.
One pick is kids on a normal road trip where something abnormal happens.
Another is that Leatherface moves and acts like Warren in There's Something About Mary, with the same run; the participant's wife was dying watching it, Farrell should hear about it, and everything about how Leatherface runs is called hilarious.
