They realized they could not afford Sally Field, who would have been 32; Estelle Parsons was another option and Shelly Winters turned it down.
Palmer agreed because she needed a new car, was paid $1,000 a day for 10 days and thought it was a piece of shit, with no idea it would be a major movie.
Sean Cunningham, the director-producer, was going to have his son play young Jason, and his wife vetoed it.
Earlier, the hosts note that they wanted Sally Field and could not get her, which forced them to cast unknowns who could be killed in more violent ways.
Jason's mom (transcribed 'Jason's Bomb') gets about a three and a half, because she only wilds out for the last 10 minutes and her frail frame limits what she could do, with a little De Niro Irishman energy.
Whether she could throw a body through a window is doubted, since the girl is probably 130 pounds and dead weight is notoriously hard to lift.
Tom Hanks plays Ned in his funny Bosom Buddies mode, which would make it 100 times better, and a young Sharon Stone plays Alice.
Kathleen Turner is floated, but the role is judged probably a little bit beneath her, and she is too sultry; in 1980 she would have caused chaos at a summer camp.
Michael Douglas revealing in his autobiography an affair with Kathleen Turner during Romance in the Stone (as transcribed) surprised nobody, given their Han Solo and Princess Leia level chemistry.
The sex is called misplayed: if the angry killer mom is upset that counselors had sex, the climax should have built up to a sex scene with Kevin Bacon that she infiltrates.
Instead, the boy drowning while they had sex is the motive, but the sex scene is only the second death, and she kills people who are not having sex anyway.
It should have been the final moment of the movie, a big sex scene kill, and more should have happened in strip Monopoly; another participant agrees.
Lou Reed had a house next to the camp, and the cast went to his farm, where he played a free show for them and hung out, though he did not know who they were.
Victor Miller saw Jason as a victim; shot in Warren County, New Jersey, at Camp Noby Noby Bosco (as transcribed); Palmer slapped King in rehearsal; Harry Crosby briefly lost his sight; Kevin Bacon's death-scene autographs; Robbie Morgan is married to Mark L. Wahlberg
The screenwriter Miller thought it would be fun to turn motherhood on its head with a female killer and was upset that Jason became the killer, saying Jason was a victim, not a villain; the hosts answer that it was a Halloween ripoff.
The movie was shot in Warren County, New Jersey, with the camp scenes at a working Boy Scout camp called Camp Noby Noby Bosco (as transcribed).
Palmer slapped King in the face during a rehearsal, upsetting her, and had to be taught to fake a hit; Harry Crosby got fake blood in his eye from the arrow and briefly lost his sight.
Kevin Bacon reportedly gets asked to sign screenshots of his death scene in this movie more than any of his other movies.
Robbie Morgan, who played Annie, has been married since 1987 to Mark L. Wahlberg, the host of Temptation Island, not the actor.
A tangent covers whether Temptation Island still exists, hosting one of those shows, and Love is Blind in Boston without actual Boston people.
Adrian King (as transcribed) is definitely at her apex; 1980 is called a big drowning year, with Ordinary People raised; Jason and Kevin Bacon are a no.
For summer campsite movies the apex is probably Meatballs, while for Halloween ripoff movies this is definitely it; the Blairstown Diner and strip Monopoly are also a yes.
Strip Monopoly is doubted as playable because Monopoly takes four hours, leading to a story of a Monopoly phase that threatened a friend group's friendships.
One more entry, dumb kids in horror movies, is raised as a question, whether these are the dumbest kids in a horror movie, and left unsettled: one participant would need to do some comparing, Sleepaway Camp is raised and the Halloween kids are not thought dumb; the hosts agree only that these kids are morons, from going to check things out to the generator going out and the lights at the archery range.
Pam is never a suspect; how many kids died before the camp closed; why she isn't Crazy Pam; Mama Voorhees' athleticism and the bad final fight; why Jason, a poor swimmer, was in the lake at night
The movie makes it seem like murders and fires kept happening at the campsite, yet the mom is never a suspect; where is Pam in the intervening years, going back to work at the CVS while nobody in town notices.
How many kids had to get killed before there was no more camp, and whether anyone actually knows: two when she first gets them, given as 'Two and 59' (as transcribed), then an attempt to burn it down, then 80 when they try to reopen it.
The hosts picture the Blairstown Diner with Crazy Ralph at one table and Pam slamming her plate down when she hears the camp is reopening, and ask why she wasn't Crazy Pam.
The biggest nitpick is whether Mama Voorhees is athletic enough to pull off anything, since she is a terrible fighter; the fight with Alice is so bad that, per the research, there was no fight choreographer.
The last nitpick: according to Pam, Jason wasn't a good swimmer, so why was he out in an open lake at night; it is her fault for not teaching the kid to swim.
Earlier, during the villain ranking, her frail frame is flagged as one participant's biggest nitpick, to come later.
Dr. Chuck Nichols, a Ted Levine character, is offered, telling the diners that his friend Pamela doesn't feel well and they should go back to their dessert and coffee.
Stephen A gets serious about his friend Jason Voorhees: this brother will not stop killing people, it is clearly a sickness and the man needs help.
A second version has Stephen A in a media beef with Jason Voorhees, threatening to bring out the receipts from Camp Crystal Lake after talking to Crazy Ralph.
Voorhees then makes the media rounds: McAfee, Get Up, and Peter Schrager with Dominic Foxworth (as transcribed).
