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Victory

117 minutes

Cast

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Sylvester Stallone Captain Robert Hatch
Michael Caine Captain John Colby
Max von Sydow Major Karl von Steiner
Pelé Corporal Luis Fernandez
Bobby Moore Terry Brady
Osvaldo Ardiles Carlos Rey
Paul Van Himst Michel Fileu
Kazimierz Deyna Paul Wolchek
Mike Summerbee Sid Harmor
Co Prins Pieter Van Beck
Russell Osman Doug Clure
John Wark Arthur Hayes
Kevin O'Callaghan Tony Lewis
Werner Roth Baumann
Laurie Sivell Schmidt
Daniel Massey Colonel Waldron
Carole Laure Renée
Anton Diffring Chief commentator
Amidou André

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Producer review

Into it because the ending pays off

In the discussion (2)
Approx. transcript time · 00:27:51Read transcript
  • The host worried the producer, as a member of the TikTok generation, would quit during the slow first 90 minutes.
  • Not too slow: having been warned, he was into it, knowing it would end well, since buying in is better when the ending pays off. — Craig Horlbeck

Casting What-Ifs

Roger Moore as John Colby; Lloyd Bridges; Clint Eastwood

In the discussion (4)
Approx. transcript time · 00:55:14Read transcript
  • Few casting what-ifs could be found; Roger Moore considering John Colby is interesting, but Caine is preferred.
  • A modern John Colby would have to play soccer, like a more working-man's Colin Firth.
  • Lloyd Bridges and Clint Eastwood were reportedly circling; Clint as Hatch would be a completely different, cooler movie with no comic relief.
  • Clint likely would not break the Irish goalie's arm; better if Hatch stays as trainer and backup goalie and the arm is broken in the match by Balman.

Recasting Couch

Gus Johnson on commentary; Jacqueline Bisset replacing Carole Laure

In the discussion (2)
Approx. transcript time · 00:59:13Read transcript
  • Recut the match with Gus Johnson and a second commentator whose name is garbled in the transcript calling it.
  • Replace Carol Loret with Jacqueline Bisset for a 13-minute France trip, which would make leaving her for the match a real question.

Half-Assed Internet Research

Hungarian source film; death-match story; Gordon Banks's coaching; Pelé's Trinidad backstory; Stallone's training and weight loss; Ardiles's greatest sporting moment; Stallone's injuries; Budapest stadium

In the discussion (8)
Approx. transcript time · 01:00:21Read transcript
  • The film is loosely based on the 1962 Hungarian drama known in English as Two Half Times in Hell.
  • That film drew on a discredited death-match story in Ukraine; in reality the team played friendlies and four were killed much later.
  • Gordon Banks, the 1966 English goalie, was Stallone's goalkeeping coach.
  • Pele's character was made Trinidadian because Brazil did not join the war until 1943, and Ardiles's country is never stated.
  • Stallone trained on weekends off from Nighthawks and lost 40 pounds to look like a prisoner, staying thin into Rocky 3.
  • Ardiles, a 1978 World Cup winner, called the film his greatest sporting moment; the athletes called it the best summer of their lives.
  • Stallone refused a body double, separating a shoulder and breaking a finger.
  • The Paris stadium was actually Budapest's MTK Stadium.

Picking Nits

The Irish goalie's broken arm; Hatch agreeing to be recaptured; letting the escaped Hatch play; Stallone's goalkeeping; Pelé from Trinidad; the down-a-man comeback; the caught penalty; Hatch's unpunished antics; the match going ahead; the broken-ribs bicycle kick; soldiers not firing

In the discussion (14)
Approx. transcript time · 01:05:37Read transcript
  • Agreeing to be recaptured makes no sense for Hatch, who is free in France with no ties to the players, and his escape seems too easy.
  • The Irish goalie agreeing to have his arm broken may be the number one sports-movie nitpick ever.
  • British prisoners had a sworn duty to try to escape and a many-over-the-few attitude, but the goalie could have faked illness or an injury instead.
  • The Nazis let the just-recaptured Hatch play goal.
  • Stallone's goalkeeping, including slide tackles and coming off his line, is basically rugby.
  • Pele being from Trinidad feels like a violation.
  • Down a man, they score four straight plus a disallowed fifth while a concussed Stallone throws a shutout.
  • Stallone catching rather than tipping a professional's penalty kick.
  • Hatch's badgering to join the team and tackling would have gotten him private piled in that camp, as in the Private Piles analogy.
  • The Nazis would have canceled the game and killed the team once Hatch escaped.
  • A bicycle kick and celebration with seven broken ribs; end credits could have added title cards on each player's fate.
  • Soldiers would start shooting everyone at the end, and the inept Nazi security trope is taken far.
  • Brought in as tie-breaker for the biggest nitpick, the drop-in guest says there is zero chance the goalie lets his arm be broken instead of claiming another injury.
  • It has been debated since about 1982: the arm break is never explained, and it proves pointless once the players stay and only accidentally escape.

Probably Unanswerable Questions

Von Steiner's fate; Stallone scoring the winner; Hatch's future; the Eastern European players; the tub trick; the best fictional sports event to attend

In the discussion (7)
Approx. transcript time · 01:17:22Read transcript
  • How fast was Steiner murdered after the game, or was he transferred to the Russian front?
  • Stallone reportedly wanted to score the winner; the penalty save as filmed is judged best, with a header the most realistic alternative and a length-of-field punt implausible.
  • Did Hatch keep playing goalie? He goes back to America with his French bride and annoys everyone about soccer.
  • The Eastern European players who can't play but must be saved from the labor camp: one liked it; they could have been fed enough for one to play a few minutes.
  • Would banging the bottom of the hot tub to drain it flood the tunnel?
  • Best fictional sports event to attend: the Roy Hobbs homer is the usual answer, with Wildcats football mentioned and the Miracle on Ice excluded as real.
  • With Gus, Roy Hobbs is defended against Rocky beating Drago in Russia, and this match is praised for the soccer, bicycle kick, escape and anthem singing.