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Restore the tidal wave

Sean Fennessey: The tidal-wave ending is again argued to be better.

The Untouchables is called less interesting than De Palma’s less respectable, more lurid films; others partly disagree.

Do not be naive.

Bill Simmons: Rick’s statement that being naive is not the worst failing becomes the lesson, reframed as “do not be naive.”

The film

Snake Eyes (1998)

Directed by Brian De Palma · Thriller

98 minutes

Cast

Selected cast credits · Film reference

Nicolas Cage Detective Rick Santoro, Atlantic City PD
Gary Sinise Commander Kevin Dunne, USN
Carla Gugino Julia Costello
John Heard Gilbert Powell
Stan Shaw Lincoln Tyler
Kevin Dunn Lou Logan
Michael Rispoli Jimmy George
Joel Fabiani SecDef Charles Kirkland
Luis Guzmán Cyrus
David Anthony Higgins Ned Campbell
Mike Starr Walt McGahn
Peter McRobbie Gordon Pritzker
Tamara Tunie Anthea
Chip Zien Mickey Alter
Alain Goulem PPV Director
Chip Chuipka Zeitz
Éric Hoziel Tarik Ben Rabat
Richard Zeman Dunne's Agent #1
Richard Lemire Dunne's Agent #2
Christina Fulton Roundgirl
Jernard Burks Tyler's Bodyguard
Christian Napoli Michael Santoro
Adam Flores Jose Pacifico Ruiz

Everything from the episode

In the order the hosts got to it. Open a row for the discussion.

1:28:41

Casting What-Ifs

Al Pacino; Will Smith; swapped Sinise and Cage.

Al Pacino; Will Smith; swapped Sinise and Cage.

In the discussion (4)
Approx. transcript time · 01:28:41Read transcript
  • Al Pacino is identified as an offered alternative for Kevin Dunne, with the need for an older Rick discussed.
  • Will Smith is identified as another offered alternative, and his choosing Enemy of the State is defended. — Bill Simmons
  • The panel says Smith as Kevin would have let him play an unusual villain. — Bill Simmons
  • Swapping Gary Sinise and Nicolas Cage remains an alternate recasting idea.
1:45:09

Picking Nits

Pre-fight party; ignored blood; weak security; implausible fighters; Julia’s plan and glasses; ignored assault; abrup...

Pre-fight party; ignored blood; weak security; implausible fighters; Julia’s plan and glasses; ignored assault; abrupt romance.

In the discussion (11)
Approx. transcript time · 01:45:09Read transcript
  • A model-and-drug party immediately before a heavyweight fight is questioned, with a possible Tyson-era defense. — Van Lathan
  • Almost nobody reacting to Julia being covered in blood is criticized. — Van Lathan
  • Rick reaching the defense secretary without a security screening is criticized. — Van Lathan
  • The fighters’ physiques are questioned relative to elite 1990s heavyweights. — Van Lathan
  • Julia’s public whistleblowing plan is criticized as incoherent, while fear of interception and the secretary’s public standing are offered as explanations.
  • The crowd becoming impatient in the first minute is criticized.
  • José Pacifico Ruiz’s performance and confused execution of the fixed fight are criticized, while participants disagree about whether he understands the plan. — Sean Fennessey
  • Julia relying on glasses rather than contacts is questioned; her collision with the wall is praised, and the lenses are said to look too weak for her impairment. — Bill Simmons
  • Nobody noticing the heavyweight champion punch a police officer is criticized. — Bill Simmons
  • Carla making a move on Nick at the end is criticized as unearned, though his earlier advance offers minimal setup.
  • Other 1990s movies are criticized for forcing romantic energy between the male and female leads. — Van Lathan
1:55:02

Probably Unanswerable Questions

Why do villains ever skip silencers?

Why do villains ever skip silencers?

In the discussion (2)
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  • Using a silencer every time is proposed.
  • A silencer is described as bigger, bulkier, longer, and harder to conceal; attaching it is praised as movie magic.
1:56:57

Best Double Feature

Face/Off; alternatively No Way Out.
In the discussion (3)
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  • Face/Off is the immediate choice for another Nicolas Cage pairing. — Bill Simmons
  • Dress to Kill, JFK, In the Line of Fire, No Way Out, and L.A. Confidential are offered as alternatives. — Sean Fennessey
  • No Way Out is favored as the closest sleazy political-crime pairing.